Re: [fonc] goal clarifications

2007-11-25 Thread Steven H. Rogers
Waldemar Kornewald wrote: On Nov 25, 2007 6:50 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you actually read the NSF proposal and its secondary literature? I read everything that didn't smell like "implementation", but I think I didn't really understand it. I had the impressio

Re: [fonc] goal clarifications

2007-11-25 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
Hi, On Nov 26, 2007 3:13 AM, Steven H. Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think the VPRI teaching goals are only indirectly related to the FONC > project. The latter seems to be a reexamination of the programming > process with the goal of developing a unified programming model that > works fo

Re: [fonc] goal clarifications

2007-11-26 Thread Steven H. Rogers
Waldemar Kornewald wrote: Hi, On Nov 26, 2007 3:13 AM, Steven H. Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the VPRI teaching goals are only indirectly related to the FONC project. The latter seems to be a reexamination of the programming process with the goal of developing a unified program

Re: [fonc] goal clarifications

2007-11-27 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
On Nov 26, 2007 2:32 PM, Steven H. Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The VPRI goals are certainly open ended and will need to gain focus to > show useful results, but just as lack of focus can dilute efforts, too > much focus too early in a research project can channel the work into > non-product

Re: [fonc] goal clarifications (was: goals)

2007-11-24 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
Hi, thanks for taking the time to reply. I'm moving this discussion out of the original thread and I'll split my reply into two parts, so the original thread can stay clean. On Nov 24, 2007 11:12 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As far as I understand the goals for the language a

Re: [fonc] goal clarifications (was: goals)

2007-11-24 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
> What will "the system" be? Just a language generator? "The system" I have in my mind is basically what is described in: http://www.vpri.org/pdf/NSF_prop_RN-2006-002.pdf -- ... a practical working system that is also its own model; a whole system from the end-users to the metal that could

Re: [fonc] goal clarifications (was: goals)

2007-11-25 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
On Nov 25, 2007 7:14 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > ... a practical working system that is also its own model; a whole > system from the end-users to the metal that could be extremely compact > (we think under 20,000 lines of code) yet practical enough to serve > both as

Re: [fonc] goal clarifications (was: goals)

2007-11-25 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On Nov 25, 2007, at 14:49 , Waldemar Kornewald wrote: On Nov 25, 2007 7:14 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- ... a practical working system that is also its own model; a whole system from the end-users to the metal that could be extremely compact (we think under 20,000 l

Fwd: [fonc] goal clarifications (was: goals)

2007-11-25 Thread Jason Johnson
Bitten again. :( -- Forwarded message -- From: Jason Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Nov 25, 2007 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [fonc] goal clarifications (was: goals) To: Waldemar Kornewald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Nov 25, 2007 2:49 PM, Waldemar Kornewald <[EMAIL PR

Re: [fonc] goal clarifications (was: goals)

2007-11-25 Thread Waldemar Kornewald
On Nov 25, 2007 6:50 PM, Bert Freudenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did you actually read the NSF proposal and its secondary literature? I read everything that didn't smell like "implementation", but I think I didn't really understand it. I had the impression that, put very bluntly, it's about