Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread James Moger
Ok. Some like circles, most seem not to. Some like branch rail colors, some do not and there are issues with low-contrast background colors. Here is my latest proposal: I've made them each a setting. @Andy Bradford: My proposal is partially CSS configurable. Skins may set... - default branch

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread Scott Robison
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Andy Bradford < amb-sendok-1429395023.fedjmknnbjlmkfmlh...@bradfords.org> wrote: > Thus said Scott Robison on Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:26:47 -0600: > > > The additional problem with color vision deficiency is that even if we > > found a set of colors that I could alw

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Scott Robison on Thu, 19 Mar 2015 14:26:47 -0600: > The additional problem with color vision deficiency is that even if we > found a set of colors that I could always differentiate and always > rely on, who knows if other color deficient people would see it the > same way I do. H

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread Ross Berteig
I love the colored lines concept, the colors help the eye track. But the colored lines need to be bolder to stand out from the white background. I'm not sure if best answer is to pick line color from a different palette, add a pixel or so to their width (subtracted from the existing white space

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread Scott Robison
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Stephan Beal wrote: > i love the circles but the yellow lines aren't terribly helpful on a white > background. > And maybe even less so for me! I don't begrudge other people their pretty colors (I like pretty colors, or at least colors my eyes find pretty which mi

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread Stephan Beal
i love the circles but the yellow lines aren't terribly helpful on a white background. - stephan (Sent from a mobile device, possibly from bed. Please excuse brevity, typos, and top-posting.) On Mar 19, 2015 9:17 PM, "Richard Hipp" wrote: > The circular node patch is available for experiment

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread Richard Hipp
The circular node patch is available for experimental viewing at https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil-ex I started looking at the graph-test page (https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil-ex/doc/trunk/test/graph-test-1.wiki) and I see that the very first link (https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil-ex/time

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread James Moger
I see it on Chrome too. It's isolated to top-down rails and fixed in the included bundle. I added a new side-by-side comparison image: http://gitblit.com/other/graph-clarity2.png Reminds me of guitar tablature. -J On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > On 3/19/15, James Moge

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread Richard Hipp
On 3/19/15, James Moger wrote: > > Color choices aside, I I have all but one issue resolved and that one would > be addressed by specifying rail color separately from bg color (tag color > is used as a segment color which I consider a bug but the fix require > deeper changes). > Consider this gra

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread James Moger
> pleasantly surprised that I saw no circles (primarily because I prefer the squares). :-) Hehe, well maybe I can change your mind. Color choices aside, I I have all but one issue resolved and that one would be addressed by specifying rail color separately from bg color (tag color is used as a

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said James Moger on Thu, 19 Mar 2015 08:09:50 -0400: > It surprises me that IceWeasel has trouble with border-radius. Being > Debian can I assume it is an older IceWeasel? Yes, it's a bit older---so take it with a grain of salt, but, I was pleasantly surprised that I saw no circles (

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread Richard Hipp
On 3/19/15, James Moger wrote: > My previous post might be unclear. There is a scrubbed image attachment > which compares what's running on fossil-scm.org with my current changes. > The colors used for the lines are background colors, which might be very close to the overall background color and

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread Stephan Beal
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:09 PM, James Moger wrote: > The idea is to de-emphasize the branch runs & correlate them with their > changes. There are a few segment color glitches (i.e. some segments are > black when they should not be). The merge lines don't touch - that can be > tweaked. > Look

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread James Moger
My previous post might be unclear. There is a scrubbed image attachment which compares what's running on fossil-scm.org with my current changes. I've uploaded the image here: http://gitblit.com/other/graph-clarity.png -J ___ fossil-dev mailing list fos

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread Stephan Beal
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:35 AM, Andy Bradford wrote: > Thus said Stephan Beal on Thu, 19 Mar 2015 01:20:01 +0100: > > > Not true - branch point leaves have lines going out. > > Oh yes, I too had forgotten about those. > > By the way, welcome back. :-) > Only partially - my pinky still doesn't l

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-19 Thread Joel Bruick
Richard Hipp wrote: Maybe circles should be used in all cases? Or maybe the use of circles versus squares should be a skin-selectable option? It should be possible to allow every graph element to be modified in CSS. Then each skin author can choose how they want to style nodes, lines, arrows

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Stephan Beal on Thu, 19 Mar 2015 01:20:01 +0100: > Not true - branch point leaves have lines going out. Oh yes, I too had forgotten about those. By the way, welcome back. :-) Andy -- TAI64 timestamp: 4000550a19e7 ___ fossil-dev mailin

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Stephan Beal
Not true - branch point leaves have lines going out. - stephan (Sent from a mobile device, possibly from bed. Please excuse brevity, typos, and top-posting.) On Mar 19, 2015 1:06 AM, "Stephan Beal" wrote: > Right, so only the ends of each branch would get that shape (whichever it > is). OTO

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Stephan Beal
Right, so only the ends of each branch would get that shape (whichever it is). OTOH, that doesn't add any new info because one sees leaves easily by the fact that they only have a line leading into them, not out of. But the circles just look so nice :). - stephan (Sent from a mobile device, p

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Stephan Beal on Wed, 18 Mar 2015 23:13:56 +0100: > How about one for leaves and the other for non-leaves? Isn't a leaf easily identified by the fact that it has no descendents (as indicated by no edges leaving the node)? Andy -- TAI64 timestamp: 4000550a06c1

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Stephan Beal
How about one for leaves and the other for non-leaves? The circles look really nice but, as you say, don't add any new info in their current role. - stephan (Sent from a mobile device, possibly from bed. Please excuse brevity, typos, and top-posting.) On Mar 18, 2015 9:56 PM, "Richard Hipp" w

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Richard Hipp on Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:56:24 -0400: > Maybe circles should be used in all cases? Or maybe the use of circles > versus squares should be a skin-selectable option? I prefer boxes over circles, so definitely if there is a strong desire to use circles instead of boxes, then

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Richard Hipp
On 3/18/15, Kees Nuyt wrote: > On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:53:14 -0400, you wrote: >>Please provide feedback. > > Looks great! > They do look good, don't they. However, after living with them for a few hours, I now realize that the circles do not provide any new information. I can already clearly se

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Kees Nuyt
On Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:53:14 -0400, you wrote: >James Moger sent in a bundle that provides for circular nodes on the >timeline - reverting to square nodes if the check-in is a merge. This >strikes me as an intriguing idea. The change is still on a branch >(https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/timel

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Richard Hipp
Sometimes the merge lines do not quite touch the circle. For example: https://www.fossil-scm.org/gitblit/timeline?c=2014-11-19+16:17:59 -- D. Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org ___ fossil-dev mailing list fossil-dev@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailing

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Jan Danielsson on Wed, 18 Mar 2015 19:21:02 +0100: > No problems rendering on this system; it Just Works(tm). It doesn't render on my Debian system which uses Iceweasel (same code base for Firefox, with policy infringing things removed I believe). Andy -- TAI64 timestamp: 400055

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Scott Robison on Wed, 18 Mar 2015 12:03:49 -0600: > Or hearts & spades & clubs. Maybe pacman & qbert. Or maybe, hopefully, this can be controlled via CSS... Andy -- TAI64 timestamp: 40005509d65b ___ fossil-dev mailing list fossil-dev@mail

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Richard Hipp on Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:53:14 -0400: > https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/timeline?y=ci I've found that in some browsers, all nodes look like squares, not sure why. That being said, I prefer a blocky thing with edges to a no-corners thing when line oriented data is

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread jungle Boogie
Hi, On 18 March 2015 at 10:53, Richard Hipp wrote: > but I now have the head of that branch running on the main server so > that you can try it out: > https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/timeline?y=ci > > Please provide feedback. It's also very nice on James' skin: https://www.fossil-scm.org/blitz

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Jan Danielsson
On 18/03/15 18:53, Richard Hipp wrote: [---] > Please provide feedback. I like this a lot. No problems rendering on this system; it Just Works(tm). -- Kind Regards, Jan ___ fossil-dev mailing list fossil-dev@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailin

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Richard Hipp
On 3/18/15, Scott Robison wrote: > > > I like shape differentiation. It is kind to my color blind eyes. :) > > I'm still newbie enough at this stuff to not have a ton of hard earned > opinions (other than I dislike using git) but I know I've read about > desires for other symbols to indicate diffe

Re: [fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Scott Robison
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > James Moger sent in a bundle that provides for circular nodes on the > timeline - reverting to square nodes if the check-in is a merge. This > strikes me as an intriguing idea. The change is still on a branch > (https://www.fossil-scm.org/

[fossil-dev] Circular timeline nodes

2015-03-18 Thread Richard Hipp
James Moger sent in a bundle that provides for circular nodes on the timeline - reverting to square nodes if the check-in is a merge. This strikes me as an intriguing idea. The change is still on a branch (https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/timeline?r=differentiate-timeline) but I now have the hea