Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-10 Thread Steve Landers
On 11/08/2011, at 8:02 AM, Stephan Beal wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Will Duquette wrote: > ...development context. If I create the new branch explicitly, then I've > changed my development context in my head AND in my work area. > > > Thank you for so elegantly describing what

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-10 Thread Stephan Beal
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Will Duquette wrote: > ...development context. If I create the new branch explicitly, then I've > changed my development context in my head AND in my work area. > Thank you for so elegantly describing what i was unable to express nearly as well :). -- - s

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-10 Thread Will Duquette
On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > Change the subject: Please help me to understand why people want to create a > new branch before adding changes to that branch, rather than just waiting > until they check-in their edits? I'm not being sarcastic or critical here. > A lot of p

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-10 Thread Richard Hipp
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Ron Wilson wrote: > > > > >> $ fossil branch next espresso-feature > > > > That's an interesting feature request. I'll take it under > consideration... > > What about allowing a "null commit" on branch? That way, > > fossil commit -branch new-branch > > could

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-10 Thread Ron Wilson
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Gé Weijers wrote: >> If you create the branch first you cannot forget later and commit to the >> wrong branch.> > I beg to differ!  Just this past Friday, I did three separate commits to > SQLite that went into

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-10 Thread Stephan Beal
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:50 AM, wrote: > It is more like a logical process. You want to work on something, create a > branch, work on it and commit. If you have to create a branch when > committing, you will have to remember if this is first commit in that branch > or subsequent. You commandline

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread altufaltu
creates the branch - not good for scripting or for 3rd party GUIs - IDEs? - altu > - Original Message - > From: Richard Hipp > Sent: 08/09/11 08:28 PM > To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org > Subject: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? &

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Gé Weijers
On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Richard Hipp wrote: On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Gé Weijers wrote: If you create the branch first you cannot forget later and commit to the wrong branch. I beg to differ!  Just this past Friday, I did three separate commits to SQLite that went into the wrong branc

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Gé Weijers
On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Lluís Batlle i Rossell wrote: If you could just tell fossil that you intend to commit to a new branch from the current workspace/checkout creating that extra commit object could be avoided without risking a commit to the wrong branch. You can *later* change the branch, af

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Richard Hipp
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Gé Weijers wrote: > > If you create the branch first you cannot forget later and commit to the > wrong branch. I beg to differ! Just this past Friday, I did three separate commits to SQLite that went into the wrong branch even though the correct branch already

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 11:33:19AM -0700, Gé Weijers wrote: > > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Richard Hipp wrote: > > >Change the subject:  Please help me to understand why people want to create > >a new branch before adding > >changes to that branch, rather than just waiting until they check-in their

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Gé Weijers
On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Richard Hipp wrote: Change the subject:  Please help me to understand why people want to create a new branch before adding changes to that branch, rather than just waiting until they check-in their edits?  I'm not being sarcastic or critical here.  A lot of people do this

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
scm.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Paine > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:10 AM > > > To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org > > > Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate > > step? Was: Unable to sign manifest > > > > >

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Brian Cottingham
gt; Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:10 AM > > To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org > > Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate > step? Was: Unable to sign manifest > > > > On 8/9/2011 10:58 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > > > Change the subject:

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
sage- > From: fossil-users-boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org > [mailto:fossil-users-boun...@lists.fossil-scm.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Paine > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 10:10 AM > To: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org > Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread tpero...@compumation.com
: fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org Subject: Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest On 8/9/2011 10:58 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > Change the subject: Please help me to understand why people want to > create a new branch before adding chan

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread tpero...@compumation.com
@lists.fossil-scm.org Subject: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, tpero...@compumation.com<mailto:tpero...@compumation.com> mailto:tpero...@compumation.com>> wrote: fossil branch new Te

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Mike Meyer
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Konstantin Khomoutov < flatw...@users.sourceforge.net> wrote: > On Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:19:46 -0700 > Matt Welland wrote: > > > I often am planning a change or thinking ahead and will create the > > branch to record my intentions before I've started coding. I do like

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Ben Summers
On 9 Aug 2011, at 18:15, Matt Welland wrote: > > **soapbox mode - feel free to stop reading :) ** > > The list of things that chip away at making a case for using fossil in > serious work (lots of geographically distributed developers with minimal > communication channels and a complex project

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Welland
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Ron Wilson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > > The way I've *always* done things is: > > > > (1) ... edit files > > (2) fossil commit -branch new-branch > > > > But I see many people want to do a 4-step process: > > > >

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Ron Wilson
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > The way I've *always* done things is: > >     (1)  ... edit files >     (2)  fossil commit -branch new-branch > > But I see many people want to do a 4-step process: > >     (1)  fossil branch new new-branch >     (2)  fossil update new-branch

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Brian Cottingham
I agree with the others, I usually start a branch as a part of the process of working on some new feature. It just feels more organized than remembering to decide what branch to use when I finally commit, or changing the branch after the fact. 2011/8/9 Lluís Batlle i Rossell > On Tue, Aug 09, 2

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 10:58:02AM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, tpero...@compumation.com < > tpero...@compumation.com> wrote: > (1) fossil branch new new-branch I forgot to add that I don't like this approach *also* because it does not let me type teh message

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 11:27:09AM -0400, Joshua Paine wrote: > On 8/9/2011 11:19 AM, Matt Welland wrote: > > Note: It is annoying to me that "fossil branch new foo" won't simply > > branch from the current node. > > +1 > > > By the way, how does "update" differ from "co" in your step 2 below? >

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 11:06:23PM +0800, Ambrose Bonnaire-Sergeant wrote: > Personally, this is a habit I bring from git, mainly because I'm not aware > of any other way to doing things. > > I was not aware of fossil commit -branch new-branch, seems like a much > better alternative. > > Half the

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:19:46 -0700 Matt Welland wrote: > I often am planning a change or thinking ahead and will create the > branch to record my intentions before I've started coding. I do like > the ability to checkin changes to a branch but would generally not > intentionally use it out of the

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 10:58:02AM -0400, Richard Hipp wrote: > On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, tpero...@compumation.com < > tpero...@compumation.com> wrote: > Change the subject: Please help me to understand why people want to create > a new branch before adding changes to that branch, rather th

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Tue, 9 Aug 2011 17:04:04 +0200 Gour-Gadadhara Dasa wrote: > > Please help me to understand why people want to > > create a new branch before adding changes to that branch, rather > > than just waiting until they check-in their edits? I'm not being > > sarcastic or critical here. A lot of peop

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Stephan Beal
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Richard Hipp wrote: > That seems like so much more trouble. What am I missing? Is it that > people are unaware that they can make edits that are destined to go into a > branch before that branch actually > In my experience it's that when i know i've reached a br

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Joshua Paine
On 8/9/2011 11:19 AM, Matt Welland wrote: > Note: It is annoying to me that "fossil branch new foo" won't simply > branch from the current node. +1 > By the way, how does "update" differ from "co" in your step 2 below? If you have no edited files, they have the same effect. But if you have some

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Matt Welland
I often am planning a change or thinking ahead and will create the branch to record my intentions before I've started coding. I do like the ability to checkin changes to a branch but would generally not intentionally use it out of the risk of forgetting that my changes are intended for a branch and

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Joshua Paine
On 8/9/2011 11:04 AM, Gour-Gadadhara Dasa wrote: > Maybe the way how other DVCS work? > Which DVCS can create branch along with the commit? I was thinking it was possible and I had done it in git, but I don't remember how or see it in the documentation, so I think I was mistaken. -- Joshua Pain

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Joshua Paine
On 8/9/2011 10:58 AM, Richard Hipp wrote: > Change the subject: Please help me to understand why people want to > create a new branch before adding changes to that branch, rather than > just waiting until they check-in their edits? In SVN (and possibly others), you have to create the branch first

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Ambrose Bonnaire-Sergeant
Personally, this is a habit I bring from git, mainly because I'm not aware of any other way to doing things. I was not aware of fossil commit -branch new-branch, seems like a much better alternative. Half the time I start hacking on something, then "oh, darn I should have started a branch before

Re: [fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Gour-Gadadhara Dasa
On Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:58:02 -0400 Richard Hipp wrote: > Please help me to understand why people want to > create a new branch before adding changes to that branch, rather than > just waiting until they check-in their edits? I'm not being > sarcastic or critical here. A lot of people do this and

[fossil-users] Why do people create branches as a separate step? Was: Unable to sign manifest

2011-08-09 Thread Richard Hipp
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:28 AM, tpero...@compumation.com < tpero...@compumation.com> wrote: > > > fossil branch new Test 5947928ba > > > > > Change the subject: Please help me to understand why people want to create a new branch before adding changes to that branch, rather than just waiting