Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

2008-12-09 Thread Waerth
The commons issue is not just a language issua. If it was it was solvable. It is a hositility issue. Where people who upload the second picture of the same object (like a TukTuk) get told it is not necassary because the project already has one picture of a TukTuk . The problem is that the c

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

2008-12-09 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Waerth wrote: > The commons issue is not just a language issua. If it was it was > solvable. It is a hositility issue. Where people who upload the second > picture of the same object (like a TukTuk) get told it is not necassary > because the project already has one picture of a TukTuk . The

Re: [Foundation-l] fund

2008-12-09 Thread Michael Bimmler
Eh, why mod fail? He apparently subscribed to the list and posted afterwards, there is nothing we can do to prevent this or would you like us to check all new subscription requests (how?) ? For the record, all emails by non-members at the moment get automatically rejected with an email saying th

Re: [Foundation-l] fund

2008-12-09 Thread John Reaves
I was thinking all posts were moderated. Mod win then. 2008/12/9 Michael Bimmler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Eh, why mod fail? He apparently subscribed to the list and posted > afterwards, there is nothing we can do to prevent this or would you > like us to check all new subscription requests (how?)

Re: [Foundation-l] fund

2008-12-09 Thread Michael Bimmler
2008/12/9 John Reaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I was thinking all posts were moderated. Self-defeating argument: If all posts were moderated, your "Mod fail" would have been rejected (or silently discarded, rather). -- Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] _

Re: [Foundation-l] Regarding the one million dollar usability grant and already extant but unused extensions

2008-12-09 Thread Angela
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/12/7 Gerard Meijssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Hoi, >> When so many people are turned off by syntax of any kind, it makes sense to >> prevent them to see such syntax. It should be there however for those who do >> not co

Re: [Foundation-l] Regarding the one million dollar usability grant and already extant but unused extensions

2008-12-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Many organisations use MediaWiki, many organisations use all kinds of extensions to make MediaWiki more usable. Extensions do not necessarily work for stable releases. This is why extension testing is important for us all. Extensions are used in many languages this is why internationalisation

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

2008-12-09 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Gerard Meijssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hoi, > When people from other projects tell me that this is one of the reasons why > they do not bother with Commons, I have to disbelieve them? Try to find > "paard" and you will not be served in the same way as with "hor

Re: [Foundation-l] frustration vs volunteerism

2008-12-09 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 2:39 AM, Domas Mituzas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Somehow following phrase caught my eye today, > > "Because myself and others have been frustrated by the lack of good > stats > on the number of active editors on the English Wikipedia, I have > compiled > some stats on the

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

2008-12-09 Thread Michael Bimmler
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Magnus Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Gerard Meijssen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hoi, >> When people from other projects tell me that this is one of the reasons why >> they do not bother with Commons, I have to disbelieve th

Re: [Foundation-l] frustration vs volunteerism

2008-12-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
> Are we working on the project because we're frustrated, or because we > want to? I think that might be a false dichotomy. We work on the projects because we want to (we consider it a worthwhile cause), we work on specific more tedious parts of the project out of frustration. ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

2008-12-09 Thread Patricia Rodrigues
I'd love to know how many English native speakers know what is this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Rami%C4%99_urabiaj%C4%85ce_kombajnu_chodnikowego.jpg Uncategorized, used in an article on pl.wikipedia without interwikis, and described only in Polish. I'm guessing some sort of drill, but

Re: [Foundation-l] frustration vs volunteerism

2008-12-09 Thread Huib Laurens
Hi, I think there are people who work on the projects because the like it. But i think there is also a group that is working because the are fustrated. Huib -- Leave nothing but footprints, take nothing but pictures http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:SterkeBak

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

2008-12-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, An answer like that justifies and inforces the notion that Commons is only for those that can read / write English. To me this is not acceptable because it degrades Commons to less then what it should be, what it could be. Thanks, GerardM 2008/12/9 Magnus Manske <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > O

[Foundation-l] frustration vs volunteerism

2008-12-09 Thread Domas Mituzas
Somehow following phrase caught my eye today, "Because myself and others have been frustrated by the lack of good stats on the number of active editors on the English Wikipedia, I have compiled some stats on the editing frequency on enwiki:" Are we working on the project because we're frustra

Re: [Foundation-l] fund

2008-12-09 Thread Nathan
He may have meant "all posts from new members are moderated" which is the way it works on WikiEN-L. Avoids the random spam, generally. On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Michael Bimmler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/12/9 John Reaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I was thinking all posts were moderate

[Foundation-l] Usability: Is our vocabulary SNAFU?

2008-12-09 Thread Ziko van Dijk
About usability: I believe that one significant barrier for new Wikimedians is the jargon in the Wikimedia projects, mostly in discussions, but also in help pages: * Expressions from computer science: IP, bug, URL * Expressions from the Open Source movement: fork, stable version * Expressions from

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

2008-12-09 Thread teun spaans
Many times it works well. But the procedures also irregularly goes amiss. I also received deletion messages of a pic i had uploaded with a correct license. Some wikimedian had accidently removed the license, making a bot come along and warn me. By pure coincidence i happened to come along at commo

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability: Is our vocabulary SNAFU?

2008-12-09 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2008/12/9 Ziko van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > About usability: I believe that one significant barrier for new Wikimedians > is the jargon in the Wikimedia projects, mostly in discussions, but also in > help pages: > * Expressions from computer science: IP, bug, URL > * Expressions from the Open So

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

2008-12-09 Thread Magnus Manske
Please don't puts words (or notions) in my mouth. At the moment, Commons works best for you when you can read/write English. But if you don't, you can still do simple searches using a dictionary, and find many useful images. This fact contradicts your earlier statement that Commons is useless to n

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

2008-12-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, If you want to hear that Commons is not completely useless because people can use a dictionary, I grant you that. However Commons is still considered to be useless by several Wikipedias who do not promote its use. I also consider this argument lame. When the categories of Commons are shown in

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability: Is our vocabulary SNAFU?

2008-12-09 Thread geni
2008/12/9 Ziko van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > About usability: I believe that one significant barrier for new Wikimedians > is the jargon in the Wikimedia projects, mostly in discussions, but also in > help pages: > * Expressions from computer science: IP, bug, URL > * Expressions from the Open So

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability: Is our vocabulary SNAFU?

2008-12-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/9 Ziko van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > About usability: I believe that one significant barrier for new Wikimedians > is the jargon in the Wikimedia projects, mostly in discussions, but also in > help pages: > * Expressions from computer science: IP, bug, URL > * Expressions from the Open So

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability: Is our vocabulary SNAFU?

2008-12-09 Thread Delirium
Ziko van Dijk wrote: > About usability: I believe that one significant barrier for new Wikimedians > is the jargon in the Wikimedia projects, mostly in discussions, but also in > help pages: > * Expressions from computer science: IP, bug, URL > * Expressions from the Open Source movement: fork, sta

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability: Is our vocabulary SNAFU?

2008-12-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/9 Delirium <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ziko van Dijk wrote: >> About usability: I believe that one significant barrier for new Wikimedians >> is the jargon in the Wikimedia projects, mostly in discussions, but also in >> help pages: >> * Expressions from computer science: IP, bug, URL >> * Expre

[Foundation-l] Sexual images of questionable provenance

2008-12-09 Thread Nathan
There have been a number of discussion on the English Wikipedia lately (sparked, of course, by the Virgin Killer image controversy) on the propriety of various images and the need for retaining them on Wikipedia. This is a problem that has a long history on Wikipedia, and a number of controls are i

Re: [Foundation-l] Annual Fundraiser 2008 update

2008-12-09 Thread the wub
2008/12/8 Andrew Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/8 David Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> 2008/12/8 Rand Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> 1) A quick update of the community giving stats (gifts less than >>> $10,000) for the first 35 days of the fundraiser: >> >> >> How many donations in the na

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability: Is our vocabulary SNAFU?

2008-12-09 Thread the wub
2008/12/9 Thomas Dalton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/12/9 Delirium <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Ziko van Dijk wrote: >>> About usability: I believe that one significant barrier for new Wikimedians >>> is the jargon in the Wikimedia projects, mostly in discussions, but also in >>> help pages: >>> * Expres

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability: Is our vocabulary SNAFU?

2008-12-09 Thread Dennis During
I am enormously skeptical that there is any realistic possibility of getting anyone let alone unpaid volunteers to forego the use of abbreviations or useful jargon. OTOH (LOL), I believe that there are MediaWiki software extensions (which I enjoy using at Wiktionary) that allow a window to pop up

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

2008-12-09 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On Tuesday 09 December 2008 08:23:07 Gerard Meijssen wrote: > When people from other projects tell me that this is one of the reasons why > they do not bother with Commons, I have to disbelieve them? Try to find > "paard" and you will not be served in the same way as with "horse" the > search resul

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability: Is our vocabulary SNAFU?

2008-12-09 Thread Platonides
Ziko van Dijk wrote: > About usability: I believe that one significant barrier for new Wikimedians > is the jargon in the Wikimedia projects, mostly in discussions, but also in > help pages: > * Expressions from computer science: IP, bug, URL > * Expressions from the Open Source movement: fork, sta

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Making Wikimedia Commons less frightening

2008-12-09 Thread Pharos
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Nikola Smolenski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 09 December 2008 08:23:07 Gerard Meijssen wrote: >> When people from other projects tell me that this is one of the reasons why >> they do not bother with Commons, I have to disbelieve them? Try to find >> "paa

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation applauds IWF decision to reverse Wikipedia censorship in the United Kingdom

2008-12-09 Thread Jay Walsh
We're quite pleased to share this information with you. This press release was distributed a few hours ago - we now have the news posted on the WMF wiki and we've updated the blog. Thanks are owed to many volunteers who spoke to the media and spread the word about this situation, as well as

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation applauds IWF decision to reverse Wikipedia censorship in the United Kingdom

2008-12-09 Thread David Moran
Glad that's over with. FMF On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Jay Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We're quite pleased to share this information with you. This press > release was distributed a few hours ago - we now have the news posted > on the WMF wiki and we've updated the blog. > > Thanks

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation applauds IWF decision to reverse Wikipedia censorship in the United Kingdom

2008-12-09 Thread Jesse Plamondon-Willard
Jay Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Internet ... internet ... internet ... internet ... internet ... Internet ... > Internet "Internet" should be capitalized as a proper noun, but is also commonly written lowercase (like "the sky"). Either way, the capitalization should be consistent. I couldn'