Re: [Foundation-l] GFDL Q&A update and question

2009-01-07 Thread Brian
I'm curious (and not arguing it is the case) why due diligence here does not involve e-mailing every person who has ever made an edit and has their e-mail address in their profile. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > Mike & I have made some updates to the Q&A today: > > http://

Re: [Foundation-l] Who The Hell Writes Wikipedia, Anyway?

2009-01-07 Thread David Goodman
The one thing he seems to have missed so far is the sub-communities of people on individual groups of topics. On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Mark Williamson wrote: > I do. > > 2009/1/7 Milos Rancic : >> A friend of mine put my attention to this blog post [1]. I didn't read >> it as it is too la

Re: [Foundation-l] Who The Hell Writes Wikipedia, Anyway?

2009-01-07 Thread Mark Williamson
I do. 2009/1/7 Milos Rancic : > A friend of mine put my attention to this blog post [1]. I didn't read > it as it is too late now (I just heard friend's description of the > article), but I think that there is no sense to wait tomorrow for > sharing it. The issue is important enough to be analyzed

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Robert Rohde
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > As a 23-people organization, it's clear that our communication efforts > need to culminate in volunteer-driven efforts of both a proactive and > reactive nature. That's already the case to a great degree (thanks to > volunteers like yourself),

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Robert Rohde
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mathias Schindler wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Brian wrote: > >> I challenge you to find 1% as many negative blog posts regarding the >> fundraiser as there are positive comments left by donors. > > Apart from that interesting debate between you and ge

Re: [Foundation-l] GFDL Q&A update and question

2009-01-07 Thread geni
2009/1/8 Erik Moeller : > I'd appreciate thoughts & comments. > Working from bottom to top: Most of the answer to "If the migration occurs, will it change what image licenses are allowed to be used on WMF projects?" is unhelpful. Historically the foundation has not been involved in determining th

[Foundation-l] GFDL Q&A update and question

2009-01-07 Thread Erik Moeller
Mike & I have made some updates to the Q&A today: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Questions_and_Answers Please let me know or edit the page if you feel further clarifications and answers are needed. Otherwise I'll prepare a translation request, probably on Friday. Meanwhile, I'm

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/1/7 Dan Rosenthal : > Anecdotally, I thought it was about the same, but I did notice a LOT > more questioning of what the money was going to. Like you, just > impressions, no facts to back it up. Perhaps so - an absolute increase of scrutiny is certainly to be expected as the overall number o

[Foundation-l] Who The Hell Writes Wikipedia, Anyway?

2009-01-07 Thread Milos Rancic
A friend of mine put my attention to this blog post [1]. I didn't read it as it is too late now (I just heard friend's description of the article), but I think that there is no sense to wait tomorrow for sharing it. The issue is important enough to be analyzed. [1] - http://www.alleyinsider.com/20

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Mike Godwin
geni writes: >>> It is also a opportunity to further annoy our readers. IT's pretty >>> clear they don't like it >> >> and you know this because...? > > Because I run daily searches of blogs for the term wikipedia. Because > complaints have turned up all over the place on wikipedia. Because or >

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Anecdotally, I thought it was about the same, but I did notice a LOT more questioning of what the money was going to. Like you, just impressions, no facts to back it up. -Dan On Jan 7, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Mathias Schindler wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Brian > wrote: > >> I chall

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Anders Wegge Keller
geni writes: >> Having no banners and no servers to serve the artuicles are even >> worse. Having payed the dangeld to get rid of them, I think most are >> happy being acknowledged for the fact. > You miss the point. The banners are not fundraising any more (unless > you collapse them) Most o

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread geni
2009/1/7 Anders Wegge Keller : > geni writes: > >> 2009/1/7 Anders Wegge Keller : >>> Whiners has always been quicker to the keyboard, then those without >>> opinions either way. That's a human trait, i suppose. Failing to take >>> this fact into the equation effectively invalidates your >>> asse

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Anders Wegge Keller
geni writes: > 2009/1/7 Anders Wegge Keller : >> Whiners has always been quicker to the keyboard, then those without >> opinions either way. That's a human trait, i suppose. Failing to take >> this fact into the equation effectively invalidates your >> assesment. And since you haven't mentioned

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread geni
2009/1/7 Anders Wegge Keller : > Whiners has always been quicker to the keyboard, then those without > opinions either way. That's a human trait, i suppose. Failing to take > this fact into the equation effectively invalidates your > assesment. And since you haven't mentioned it by now, I will not

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Brian
Supposing every blog post that mentioned 'wikipedia' and 'fundraiser' was negative, there would be 69,978. http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?q=wikipedia+fundraiser On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Mathias Schindler < mathias.schind...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Bri

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Mathias Schindler
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Brian wrote: > I challenge you to find 1% as many negative blog posts regarding the > fundraiser as there are positive comments left by donors. Apart from that interesting debate between you and geni, I had the personal impression that this year's fundraising dri

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Anders Wegge Keller
geni writes: > Because I run daily searches of blogs for the term > wikipedia. Because complaints have turned up all over the place on > wikipedia. Because or editors who also have to read the thing have > gone so far as to have a gadget to get rid of it. Because adblock > which targets banner ad

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread geni
2009/1/7 Brian : > I think your point was clear, but maybe not. Please restate it for me more > clearly. You appear to be under the impression I'm objecting to the donation banner ads. I'm not. I am however suggesting that while the donation banner ads are a necessary evil (heh one of the complain

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Brian
I think your point was clear, but maybe not. Please restate it for me more clearly. Because I run daily searches of blogs for the term wikipedia. Because complaints have turned up all over the place on wikipedia. Because or editors who also have to read the thing have gone so far as to have a gadg

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread geni
2009/1/7 Brian : > Sorry Geni but you are totally wrong. Each year the Foundation asks for more > money than the year before, and each year the citizens of the world give it. > > > I challenge you to find 1% as many negative blog posts regarding the > fundraiser as there are positive comments left

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Brian
Sorry Geni but you are totally wrong. Each year the Foundation asks for more money than the year before, and each year the citizens of the world give it. I challenge you to find 1% as many negative blog posts regarding the fundraiser as there are positive comments left by donors. On Wed, Jan 7,

[Foundation-l] Historical pictures? Search by the German name

2009-01-07 Thread Ziko van Dijk
It seems that the pictures from German Federal Archive have been detected by the search engine of Wikimedia Commons. So now you can find more easily pictures that have not been categorized by now. Every picture has an original description in German. To find pictures from the history of your countr

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/1/7 Nathan : > It would also, as I mentioned, provide the very valuable service of > reinforcing with the public that the Wikimedia Foundation is charitable > organization that depends on donations for all of its operations. That fact > is implied in the very nature of a fundraising drive, but

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Nathan
(Sorry for not threading my replies). I realise (not being completely dense) that some of these large organizations don't solicit donations, but they might be willing to co-brand as a sort of "in-kind" donation to the WMF. My intent was more to name well known organizations to illustrate the point

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Michael Snow
Nathan wrote: > Personally I appreciate that the foundation is working to make fundraising a > year round project, particularly with respect to large donations from > individuals and other foundations. I wonder if we can't work more closely > with other, more established charitable foundations thou

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Nathan
I think you guys did a great job, all in all. We can't and shouldn't expect it to be perfect, and obviously you can't please everyone. I'm happy to say that the disgruntlement I described in my "strong negative reaction" thread at the beginning of the fundraiser did not prevent a very successful ou

Re: [Foundation-l] Agenda for January board meeting

2009-01-07 Thread Michael Snow
Michael Bimmler wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Comet styles wrote: > >> Well basically, some of the thing from the list which is really >> important and needs to be sorted out soon includes elected members >> from the chapters to the board, >> > Actually, this is being discussed

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread geni
2009/1/7 Michael Bimmler : > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:11 PM, geni wrote: > >> 2009/1/7 Erik Moeller : >> > A quick update: the "Thank You" banner is currently scheduled to stay >> > up until January 9, 4 PM PST. We're keeping it up a while longer in >> > part because it's the first work week after

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread White Cat
I don't know. Everyone knows the fastest way to remove a begathon is through generous donations. ;) - White Cat On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:11 PM, geni wrote: > 2009/1/7 Erik Moeller : > > A quick update: the "Thank You" banner is currently scheduled to stay > > up until January 9, 4 PM PST. We

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Michael Bimmler
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:11 PM, geni wrote: > 2009/1/7 Erik Moeller : > > A quick update: the "Thank You" banner is currently scheduled to stay > > up until January 9, 4 PM PST. We're keeping it up a while longer in > > part because it's the first work week after the holidays for many > > people,

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread geni
2009/1/7 Erik Moeller : > A quick update: the "Thank You" banner is currently scheduled to stay > up until January 9, 4 PM PST. We're keeping it up a while longer in > part because it's the first work week after the holidays for many > people, and in part because it's an opportunity for chapters to

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I think the foundation did great with the last fundraiser. When we *need *something like 6 million dollar we should ask for it and it is legitimate to ask for it. It is really sad that people do not realise how much our aims suffer from a lack of investment. We need to do better, we can do bet

Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser update

2009-01-07 Thread White Cat
Who is responsible for the code behind the fundraiser? I have a few proposals he or she may like. Its too late for this fundraiser but would help on the future ones Additionally I think the foundation should set a donation goal for the end of the year. Not as a begathon like the 6 mil one but some

Re: [Foundation-l] Agenda for January board meeting

2009-01-07 Thread Michael Bimmler
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Comet styles wrote: > Well basically, some of the thing from the list which is really > important and needs to be sorted out soon includes elected members > from the chapters to the board, Actually, this is being discussed by the chapters themselves at this very

Re: [Foundation-l] Agenda for January board meeting

2009-01-07 Thread Comet styles
Well basically, some of the thing from the list which is really important and needs to be sorted out soon includes elected members from the chapters to the board, the ombudsman com expansion and/or probably increasing their job tasks and probably appointing those people that are "Actually" around a