Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Tisza Gergő
phoebe ayers writes: > > ** Despite the election's importance, turnout is so far pretty > pathetic, esp. from smaller wikis. Which begs the question: why was the central notice taken down when there is still a day left? ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Block update

2009-08-09 Thread Mark Williamson
Remind me, please, why we are still talking about this. skype: node.ue On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 4:13 PM, stevertigo wrote: >> 2009/8/8 Stevertjgo : > >> I think those high level discussion can take place either on-wiki or >> on existing mailing lists without a problem. > > I generally agree. But

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > With the increase in administrative and organizational duties, I've been > less and less able to devote time to the part of the job that's nearest > and dearest to me: working with our volunteer developer community and > end users -- Wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Brion Vibber
On 8/7/09 5:43 PM, George Herbert wrote: > I suspect you're going to have to be prepared to do a lot of internal > discovery and discovery with potential hires to show them the web ops > side - it's not well documented now (I keep meaning to find out more > about the ops team and finding I have no

Re: [Foundation-l] Block update

2009-08-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/8/10 stevertigo : >> 2009/8/8 Stevertjgo : > >> I think those high level discussion can take place either on-wiki or >> on existing mailing lists without a problem. > > I generally agree. But "existing mailing lists" generally means wikien-l - > once highly purposed toward resolving on-wiki di

Re: [Foundation-l] Block update

2009-08-09 Thread stevertigo
> 2009/8/8 Stevertjgo : > I think those high level discussion can take place either on-wiki or > on existing mailing lists without a problem. I generally agree. But "existing mailing lists" generally means wikien-l - once highly purposed toward resolving on-wiki disputes - is now notoriously dism

Re: [Foundation-l] Five pillars and 'WP:Consensus' in WP:NOT

2009-08-09 Thread wp99 -----
PS. at the bottom of the page of Wikipedia:Five pillars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars Wikipedia's principles Five pillars as ''Overview of our foundation'' --wp99 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org U

[Foundation-l] Five pillars and 'WP:Consensus' in WP:NOT

2009-08-09 Thread wp99 -----
Hi, The last time, I asked a question how to share WP:NOT idea among WP local projects. I really appreciate lots of informative feed backs. According to your replies, I confirmed that basically, officially, only requirement is that they follow the founding principles http://meta.wikimedia.org/wik

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Aug 9, 2009, at 4:15 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On a general note, I for one greatly appreciate the Election > Committee's efforts to get wide community participation in the Board > elections**, even if the mailing could have gone more smoothly. > > On an even more general note, the constructiv

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Marc Riddell
> Thomas, > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the >> board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send >> untargetted mass emails - they are spam. on 8/9/09 5:15 PM, phoebe ayers at phoebe.w...@g

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Domas Mituzas
> A high turnover rate would indicate a lot of people joining and > leaving, > instead of long-term volunteers. ah! that! no, site is operated by same people as five years ago (with brilliant exception of search), few people left during that time, because of various reasons. some volunteers

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury

2009-08-09 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Aug 9, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Things started going wrong when the election committee didn't organize > itself in time. I should point out, though, that the committee does not "organize itself". It responds to a call from the Board of Trustees. _

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury

2009-08-09 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Aug 9, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Al Tally wrote: >> I don't want to seem rude, as I'm sure it's difficult and I >> understand the >> election committee are volunteers, but why is it that things seem >> to be >> going wrong this year? >> >> > Things started going wrong when t

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury

2009-08-09 Thread Ray Saintonge
Al Tally wrote: > I don't want to seem rude, as I'm sure it's difficult and I understand the > election committee are volunteers, but why is it that things seem to be > going wrong this year? > > Things started going wrong when the election committee didn't organize itself in time. It knew mor

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Al Tally
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Domas Mituzas wrote: > Hi! > > > I have a question on this for the tech team: as a rule, do you have a > > high turnover of volunteers on the sysadmin ... > > turn-what? > Jens is building a house or something, if that was your question. > > Domas > A high turnove

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hi! > I have a question on this for the tech team: as a rule, do you have a > high turnover of volunteers on the sysadmin ... turn-what? Jens is building a house or something, if that was your question. Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread phoebe ayers
Thomas, On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the > board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send > untargetted mass emails - they are spam. You think nothing of routinely filling up all of the list

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury

2009-08-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The things that go wrong are not necessarily the same things that go wrong. Yes things go wrong.. There are more things that could and should have gone differently... Nobody heard the Wikivoices interviews with many of the candidates for instance. Sadly it did not materialise but it could have

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > High Priest of Mediawiki? I propose robes as his official outfit, similar to this: http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/index.shtml Magnus ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@list

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Sean Whitton
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 01:43, George Herbert wrote: > I suspect you're going to have to be prepared to do a lot of internal > discovery and discovery with potential hires to show them the web ops > side - it's not well documented now (I keep meaning to find out more > about the ops team and finding

Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman commission

2009-08-09 Thread Christophe Henner
2009/8/9 Peter Jacobi : > The issue is still unresolved. > > de:User:Mautpreller, who filed the original complaint, just affirmed > that there is still no answer. > > See > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Checkuser/Anfragen#Ombudskommission > > So, just doing nothing may be a way

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury

2009-08-09 Thread Al Tally
Maybe this is related? http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Forum#Unable_to_vote_in_trustees_election I don't want to seem rude, as I'm sure it's difficult and I understand the election committee are volunteers, but why is it that things seem to be going wrong this year? -- Alex (User:Major

Re: [Foundation-l] Ombudsman commission

2009-08-09 Thread Peter Jacobi
The issue is still unresolved. de:User:Mautpreller, who filed the original complaint, just affirmed that there is still no answer. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Diskussion:Checkuser/Anfragen#Ombudskommission So, just doing nothing may be a way of telling de:User:Mautpreller that hi

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-09 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
High Priest of Mediawiki? From: Dan Rosenthal To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 5:59:14 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split Somehow I'm not disappointed that we're having a problem trying

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/8/9 Ray Saintonge : > Geoffrey Plourde wrote: >> Although I had already voted, I was not bothered by one tiny email reminding >> me that I was eligible to vote. Thanks guys, hopefully this will get people >> to the polls. >> >> >> >> > It didn't bother me either even though it came after I v

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Ray Saintonge
Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > Although I had already voted, I was not bothered by one tiny email reminding > me that I was eligible to vote. Thanks guys, hopefully this will get people > to the polls. > > > > It didn't bother me either even though it came after I voted. As far as spam goes this

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Translatewiki newsletter - A new translation rally has begun

2009-08-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Siebrand send this e-mail to the contributors to translatewiki.net. As localisation is an integral part to our success, I forward this to you. Those who already contribute to our localisation I thank and those who are capable of supporting MediaWiki by helping in the localisation effort I urge

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Luna
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Bod Notbod wrote: > OK, *ideally* an email wouldn't be sent to those who have already > voted. But it's really not as if Wikimedia is a persistent spammer. > I'd let it slide. Yeah, that's about where I sit on it. :) I wouldn't have said anything, if it weren't a

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Luna wrote: > Indeed. I had already voted, and got an email, but I'm not going to do any > complaining. It's one email, for Pete's sake. The irony is that those who dislike having received an email about the election have now received about 30 more due to reportin

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Luna
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Steven Walling wrote: > I already voted when I got my email, and I didn't think it was spam. I > smiled at the fact that Wikimedia is making sure everyone who can vote has > the opportunity. > Indeed. I had already voted, and got an email, but I'm not going to do

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
Milos Rancic wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Kwan Ting Chan wrote: Just out of interest, how many such email did you get last year because I'm sure I only (try to) send one email to each email address (that hadn't voted already). * One email to myself (mill...@gmail.com). I voted first

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Kwan Ting Chan wrote: > Just out of interest, how many such email did you get last year because I'm > sure I only (try to) send one email to each email address (that hadn't voted > already). * One email to myself (mill...@gmail.com). I voted first day and a couple

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-09 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
Milos Rancic wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Casey Brown wrote: Bot accounts will probably be excluded in the future, since they are explicitly not allowed to vote. I think that it shouldn't be so complicated to do one "sort -u" over emails. As I said, some of my bots don't have bot fla

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury

2009-08-09 Thread Waerth
Chen Minqi wrote: > On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Waerth wrote: > > >> According to the wikimedia foundations rules someone whom is blocked is >> not allowed to vote. >> >> > > You are not eligible to vote on nlwp, but on other wikis you may be > eligible, so that is why you received the

Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury

2009-08-09 Thread Chen Minqi
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Waerth wrote: > According to the wikimedia foundations rules someone whom is blocked is > not allowed to vote. > You are not eligible to vote on nlwp, but on other wikis you may be eligible, so that is why you received the email I guess? [[User:Bencmq]]

[Foundation-l] Board elections email adding insult to injury

2009-08-09 Thread Waerth
I have just received an email that I am elligable to vote in the board elections. While I am inelligeble as I am blocked on the nl.wikipedia since 3 months already. This ads insult to injury. As I was blocked on request of a sockpupeteer whom is now blocked himself together with multiple othe