Hi Thomas,
one year ago when I run for the board election I came with the same
proposal as you. Meanwhile I have changed my oppinion. The problem is
that this would not work out.
I totally agree with you that voting is the minor part of the board
decision making process. Actually in many
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:23 AM, Joshua Gay joshua...@gmail.com wrote:
When Matt Halprin is on the board of Wikimedia, he is doing his job for
Omidyar Network.
That's quite an accusation. WMF board members aren't supposed to be paid.
If they're paid by a third party, is that okay?
So,
Hoi.
When I read that people with a seat on the board aren't supposed to be paid,
I hope you mean that they are not paid by the Wikimedia Foundation. Because
the alternative is that all people on the board have to independently
wealthy and if that is the case I am relieved that I only just lost
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote:
When I read that people with a seat on the board aren't supposed to be
paid,
I hope you mean that they are not paid by the Wikimedia Foundation.
No, what I mean is they aren't supposed to be paid *for being
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
When I read that people with a seat on the board aren't supposed to be
paid,
I hope you mean that they are not paid by the Wikimedia
Thank you very much all of you (Brigitte SB, Ting Chen, Mickael Snow and
others).
To close my participation in this thread I just add three points :
- My question about the wikimedia membership criterion wasn't very
important, but just-to-know ; thanks for your explanations.
- The
The press release QA,
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Omidyar_Network_Grant_August_2009QA
, notes the following:
Wikimedia and Omidyar have developed targets related to financial
sustainability (the percentage of operating expenses supported by
individual donations), global
Andrew,
This is a great response and anecdote.
I have regularly run across people working on EOL, which has a broad
staff one of whose tasks is to keep an eye on species-data resources
around the web; and they are generally quite positive about
wikispecies, and thinking about ways to better
Wikispecies will have a niche if it can prove to be regularly on the
leading edge.
Has there been any discussions about putting newly described species
onto the front page? If the information is made accessible, Wikinews
editors could write up stories about new discoveries.
Too many new
2009/8/27 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com:
2009/8/27 Joshua Gay joshua...@gmail.com:
When Matt Halprin is on the board of Wikimedia, he is doing his job for
Omidyar Network. So, when we read, a statement like:
I'm not familiar with the relevant US law, but in the UK that would be
We always wanted to collaborate with scientific journals and projects,
regardless of its size. But remember that we can't use EOL images unless
they're from Flickr or Wikipedia, which means we probably have uploaded them to
Commons already.
Perhaps we should give the Main Page a facelift,
2009/8/27 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
I think part of the problem is that there were some odd ideas about
how the Advisory Board would work. For example, it has a chair. I
can't work out why. Why would the
2009/8/27 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
There are a lot of differences between a board member and an advisory
board member. The most important difference is the dedication. As a
board member you MUST attend board meeting, you MUST take part in
discussion. As an advisory board member you are
Recently, I reported on a simple study of how likely one was to
encounter recent vandalism in Wikipedia based on selecting articles at
random and using revert behavior as a proxy for recent vandalism.
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-August/054171.html
One of the key
very interesting research - many thanks for sharing that.
- Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Thursday, 27 August, 2009 17:41:29 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland,
2009/8/27 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
I'm not convinced Halprin is even employed by the Omidyar Network.
According to the website, he is a partner. Partners aren't employees.
I think partners usually are employees, just ones with a stake in the business.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/8/27 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
I'm not convinced Halprin is even employed by the Omidyar Network.
According to the website, he is a partner. Partners aren't employees.
I think partners usually are
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/8/27 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
I'm not convinced Halprin is even employed by the Omidyar Network.
According to the website, he is a
I've just read two different news stories on Flagged Revisions that
described vandalism as a growing problem for Wikipedia.
With that in mind, I would like to highlight one specific point in the
analysis I just did.
The frequency of reverts to articles -- as a fraction of total edits
-- has
1:00 edit1:02 revert
1:06 revert
1:14 revert
1:30 revert
2:02 revert
How many instances of vandalism does your program count there, and what is
the mean and median time to revert?
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote:
I've just read two different news stories on Flagged Revisions that
described vandalism as a growing problem for Wikipedia.
With that in mind, I would like to highlight one specific point in the
analysis I just did.
The
2009/8/27 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
Why do you assume that number of reverts has any correlation with amount of
vandalism? Has this been studied?
It seems to be a sensible assumption, although checking it would be
wise. I would put money on a significant majority of reverts being
reverts of
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/8/27 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
Why do you assume that number of reverts has any correlation with amount
of
vandalism? Has this been studied?
It seems to be a sensible assumption, although checking it
2009/8/27 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/8/27 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
I'm not convinced Halprin is even employed by the Omidyar Network.
According to the website, he is a partner. Partners aren't employees.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
I would put money on a significant majority of reverts being
reverts of vandalism rather than BRD reverts, it may not be an
overwhelming majority,
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Anthonywikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Thomas Dalton
thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
I would put money on a significant majority of reverts being
reverts of
Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Thomas Dalton
thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
I would put money on a significant majority of reverts being
reverts of vandalism rather than BRD reverts, it may not be an
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
Partner has different meanings. A partner in a partnership is as you
describe. A partner is a large (often public) company like a bank is
just a title for a high ranking employee. I think we are talking at
cross
Well, I have never understood why the board is so involved. Generally in
business, the Board hires and fires the CEO and that's it.
I also consider expert seats a waste of space as that is why we have department
heads.
Then again, I suspect I am and always will be in the minority.
2009/8/27 Geoffrey Plourde geo.p...@yahoo.com:
Well, I have never understood why the board is so involved. Generally in
business, the Board hires and fires the CEO and that's it.
I don't think that is the case. The board has a duty of oversight and
is generally responsible for high level
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:
/rvv?|revert(ing)?[ ]*(vandal(ism)?)?/
Might give you a slightly wider sample.
I'll wait for Robert to release a random sample of edits he actually
identified as reverts and/or the actual scripts and data dump he used.
2009/8/27 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
I agree that companies often misuse the term partner for people who aren't
actually partners (although I can't think of an example, can you?).
Big banks often do it. I remember reading a news article about Goldman
Sachs announcing its new batch of partners.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Kropotkine_113kropotkine...@free.fr wrote:
I think that a non-used but very efficient
solution would be to share informations before the official report and
to work closely with local chapters ; but this is a more wide problem
and slightly out-of-the-scope of
--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Kropotkine_113 kropotkine...@free.fr wrote:
From: Kropotkine_113 kropotkine...@free.fr
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Omidyar Network Commits $2 Million Grant to
Wikimedia Foundation
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Thursday,
Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote:
There are a lot of differences between a board member and an advisory
board member. The most important difference is the dedication. As a
board member you MUST attend board meeting, you MUST take part in
2009/8/27 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote:
There are a lot of differences between a board member and an advisory
board member. The most important difference is the dedication. As a
board member you MUST attend
Thomas Dalton wrote:
The best examples you can see are Stu West and Jan-Bard de
Vreede. Stu with his technical and financial expertise is simply there,
in every meeting, in the board mailing list, we don't have to go out and
ask someone from the outside, especially because these expertise are
2009/8/27 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net:
Thomas Dalton wrote:
The best examples you can see are Stu West and Jan-Bard de
Vreede. Stu with his technical and financial expertise is simply there,
in every meeting, in the board mailing list, we don't have to go out and
ask someone from the
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Anthonywikim...@inbox.org wrote:
It seems to me to be begging the question. You don't answer the question
how bad is vandalism by assuming that vandalism is generally reverted.
Can you suggest a better metric then?
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm inclined to agree. I just don't see any sufficient benefit to
releasing the data to make it worth the risk. Why do people want this
information? Is it just because they don't trust the vote count?
Because they
2009/8/28 Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm inclined to agree. I just don't see any sufficient benefit to
releasing the data to make it worth the risk. Why do people want this
information? Is it just because
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Anthonywikim...@inbox.org wrote:
It seems to me to be begging the question. You don't answer the question
how bad is vandalism by assuming that vandalism is generally reverted.
2009/8/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Anthonywikim...@inbox.org wrote:
It seems to me to be begging the question. You don't answer the question
how bad is vandalism by assuming
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/8/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Anthonywikim...@inbox.org wrote:
It seems to me to be
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/8/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Anthonywikim...@inbox.org wrote:
It seems to me to be begging the
2009/8/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
He means what would you measure in order to draw conclusions about the
severity of vandalism.
Umm...you would count the number of instances of vandalism?
That's not practical. That would require a person to go through
article histories revision by
2009/8/28 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com:
This is somewhat labor intensive, but only somewhat as it doesn't take
an inordinate number of samples to produce representative results.
This should be the gold standard for this kind of measurement as it
would be much closer to what people
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/8/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
He means what would you measure in order to draw conclusions about the
severity of vandalism.
Umm...you would count the number of instances of vandalism?
That's not
2009/8/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/8/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
He means what would you measure in order to draw conclusions about the
severity of vandalism.
Umm...you would count the number of
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
2009/8/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
2009/8/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
He means what would you measure in order to draw
2009/8/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
I suggested a better approach last time we had this thread: statistical
sampling.
This research was based on a sample. What are you talking about?
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Just took a quick sample of 10 instances of vandalism to [[Ted Stevens]].
Of those 10 instances of vandalism, either 2 or 4 would not have been found
by the automated tool described. 2 if every edit summary containing the
word vandalism is counted as vandalism, and 4 if not. The former would
Thomas Dalton wrote:
That's only because we don't specify such an obligation. There is
nothing stopping us having such an obligation included in the rules
for the advisory board.
Yes there are. See my answer to Antony about dedication.
Brion and Véronique have that expertise and could
2009/8/28 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
Thomas Dalton wrote:
That's only because we don't specify such an obligation. There is
nothing stopping us having such an obligation included in the rules
for the advisory board.
Yes there are. See my answer to Antony about dedication.
I did see your
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
Just took a quick sample of 10 instances of vandalism to [[Ted Stevens]].
Of those 10 instances of vandalism, either 2 or 4 would not have been
found
by the automated tool described. 2 if every edit summary containing the
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Out of curiosity, Anthony, do you still refrain from editing Wikimedia
projects over licensing
issues? How long has it been, a year?
I guess now is as good a time as any to admit it. I started editing again,
without logging
There can only be one leader in a business.
From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:26:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Expert board members - a
2009/8/28 Geoffrey Plourde geo.p...@yahoo.com:
There can only be one leader in a business.
Not true at all. There are often lots of people leading different
things. The leader of all the leaders is the board, which isn't one
person, it is a committee.
Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/8/27 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net:
Thomas Dalton wrote:
The best examples you can see are Stu West and Jan-Bard de
Vreede. Stu with his technical and financial expertise is simply there,
in every meeting, in the board mailing list, we don't have to go
2009/8/28 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net:
As the portion of your email making that caveat did not appear until
after quoting another portion of Ting's message, suggesting that it
would be addressing some other aspect of the discussion, I missed that
you had hedged what seemed to be a
On 8/27/09 9:39 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/8/28 Gregory Maxwellgmaxw...@gmail.com:
If the results of this kind of study have good agreement with
mechanical proxy metrics (such as machine detected vandalism) our
confidence in those proxies will increase, if they disagree it will
provide an
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