Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Domas Mituzas
> The move itself will be > newsworthy and I'm sure there will be a press release about it, but it > hasn't happened yet. As Wikimedia (or.. Wikipedia!) office address isn't publicly announced or published, the press release would be fantastic: "Wikipedia is moving from undisclosed location off

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Correct, I meant announcement not press release. Announcing this move by placing a blurb on the foundation site, asking for assistance on the sf list, and letting the signpost know all would have headed this discussion off From: geni To: Wikimedia Foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/9/6 Anthony : > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Thomas Dalton >wrote: > > > >> A plan to move isn't worthy of a press release - > >> it would only cover a single sentence ("The WMF has more staff than it > >> has room for desks, so it

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/6 Anthony : > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> A plan to move isn't worthy of a press release - >> it would only cover a single sentence ("The WMF has more staff than it >> has room for desks, so it is planning to move to new, larger >> offices."). > > > Is that all

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > A plan to move isn't worthy of a press release - > it would only cover a single sentence ("The WMF has more staff than it > has room for desks, so it is planning to move to new, larger > offices."). Is that all they have, a plan? They're of

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread geni
2009/9/6 Thomas Dalton : > 2009/9/6 Geoffrey Plourde : >> The plan may have been mentioned ages ago, but a press release about the >> move would have eliminated the opportunity for trolling. > > Why would the press be interested in the WMF putting the offices they > are about to move out of on the

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/6 Geoffrey Plourde : > The plan may have been mentioned ages ago, but a press release about the move > would have eliminated the opportunity for trolling. Why would the press be interested in the WMF putting the offices they are about to move out of on the market? The move itself will be n

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote: > The plan may have been mentioned ages ago, but a press release about the move > would have eliminated the opportunity for trolling. They haven't moved yet. I bet we can safely let this topic drop, though. Nathan

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
The plan may have been mentioned ages ago, but a press release about the move would have eliminated the opportunity for trolling. 2009/9/5 Thomas Dalton : > The Foundation has been sufficiently transparent. The reasons for > leasing office space from Wikia were explained in detail when that >

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread David Gerard
2009/9/5 Thomas Dalton : > The Foundation has been sufficiently transparent. The reasons for > leasing office space from Wikia were explained in detail when that > deal was done (I think Sue [could have been someone else from WMF] > explained it on this mailing list after people [probably me] drew

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/5 Geoffrey Plourde : > Its a serious charge that is difficult to prove. The publicly released > financial statements are too general in nature to be useful. The only way to > prove/disprove this allegation and head off others is for the Foundation to > become more transparent. It is natur

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
The best way to end this in the future is to give the community a brief heads up along the line of "Hey y'all, we will be moving to NEW ADDRESS effective DATE" This lets us know beforehand that the business address is going to change, and allows the Foundation to leverage moving support from SF

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Its a serious charge that is difficult to prove. The publicly released financial statements are too general in nature to be useful. The only way to prove/disprove this allegation and head off others is for the Foundation to become more transparent. It is natural for people to come to assumptions

Re: [Foundation-l] Be nice

2009-09-05 Thread Paul Williams
Okie dokie. 2009/9/5 Lodewijk > please! > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/5 Anthony : > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> 2009/9/5 Gregory Kohs : >> > Which "accusations" do you speak of? >> >> "That's curious, considering they had "outgrown" space in January 2009, >> such >> that they needed to shuttle Ruth and Frank Stanton's money over t

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Austin Hair
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Gregory Kohs wrote: > When the Watergate story broke, it was felt to be a largely "contained" > story. Leslie Stahl once commented, *"*CBS sent me. It was a measure of how > unimportant CBS thought the story was in the beginning." As more > information seeped out,

[Foundation-l] Be nice

2009-09-05 Thread Lodewijk
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Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:50 AM, geni wrote: > > WMF is swimming in surplus floor space? > Well, yeah, that's been confirmed actually. They have 11000 sq ft, plus 3000 sq ft, plus whatever they have at Wikia, and they only need the 11000 sq ft. Maybe they haven't moved in on the 11000 sq ft yet

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/9/5 Gregory Kohs : > > Which "accusations" do you speak of? > > "That's curious, considering they had "outgrown" space in January 2009, > such > that they needed to shuttle Ruth and Frank Stanton's money over to Wikia's > accounts receiva

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Yann Forget
Gregory Kohs wrote: > Consider me a Leslie Stahl, circa 1972. We should stop feeding the troll, especially this particular species of novice self-made spy. Yann -- http://www.non-violence.org/ | Site collaboratif sur la non-violence http://www.forget-me.net/ | Alternatives sur le Net http://fr.w

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread geni
2009/9/5 Gregory Kohs : > I reported that the Wikimedia Foundation is seeking to sub-let space that it > itself is renting. I have an e-mail from the property management firm > confirming "the Wikimedia sublease". Erik Moeller has confirmed that the > Foundation is seeking to sub-let space. > > W

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/5 Gregory Kohs : > "Geni" wrote: > > ++ > Given how spectacularly incorrect your published accusations were > that's a pretty pathetic defense. Are you going to apologise? > > -- > geni > > ++ > > I reported that the Wikimedia Foundation is seeking to sub-let space that it >

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread Gregory Kohs
"Geni" wrote: ++ Given how spectacularly incorrect your published accusations were that's a pretty pathetic defense. Are you going to apologise? -- geni ++ I reported that the Wikimedia Foundation is seeking to sub-let space that it itself is renting. I have an e-mail from the

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?

2009-09-05 Thread geni
2009/9/5 Gregory Kohs : > So, not having known that 3,000 square feet was the sum total of the > current WMF space on Stillman, my original but unpublished hunch was > correct. Given how spectacularly incorrect your published accusations were that's a pretty pathetic defense. Are you going to apol