Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

Just as a bit of general background for this thread: The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English Wikipedia. It's a pilot to see how our audience responds to endorsements and testimonials by third parties. (So far, it is doing reasonably well, but not fantastically so; we wi

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

Key phrase for me in this e-mail was "CraigsList itself is a for-profit", despite the fact that it was hidden in a parenthetical remark after lots of glowing praise... The "Craigslist Foundation" is not Craigslist. According to the Wikipedia article on Craigslist: "The company does not formally d

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009/12/15 Erik Moeller : > Just as a bit of general background for this thread: > > The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English > Wikipedia. It's a pilot to see how our audience responds to > endorsements and testimonials by third parties. (So far, it is doing > reasonably

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

May I ask why that message appears to be not following out standard template and having a image as the background? all the others I've seen only have the logo's in them Images like that just make them even more distracting and disliked. -Peachey ___

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

Erik, > The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English > Wikipedia. How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English speaking countries, or countries where English is used as second/primary language on the web? :) Domas ___

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 14:42, Domas Mituzas wrote: >> The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English >> Wikipedia. > > How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English speaking > countries, or countries where English is used as second/primary language on > the w

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Peter Gervai wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 14:42, Domas Mituzas wrote: >>> The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English >>> Wikipedia. >> >> How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English speaking >> countries, or countrie

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like them to have. Happy to see an endorsement from Craig Newmark. Now, if it were Tiger Woods... Nathan ___ foundation-l mai

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

Is it really anti-capitalist to be against giving Craigslist free publicity? Mark On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Nathan wrote: > Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively > absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like > them to have. Happy to see

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009/12/15 Nathan : > Personally, I'm glad the Foundation doesn't have the reflexively > absolutist anti-capitalist stance that some on this list would like > them to have. Happy to see an endorsement from Craig Newmark. Now, if > it were Tiger Woods... > > Nathan Who on this list do you think thi

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Mark Williamson wrote: > It's certainly free publicity for Craigslist, one way or the other. Who says it's free? I assume Mr. Newmark made a significant donation. Maybe that assumption is wrong, though. ___ foundatio

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

If that's true, I am even more against this... what does that say about us? On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Mark Williamson > wrote: > > > It's certainly free publicity for Craigslist, one way or the other. > > > Who says it's free? I assume M

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009/12/15 Mark Williamson : > If that's true, I am even more against this... what does that say about us? Didn't we have this discussion around Virgin Unite? http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Wikimedia_Foundation_to_introduce_paid_editing Craig Newmark's on the WMF advisory board. Cra

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

It says that you're willing to acknowledge your sponsors? On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Mark Williamson wrote: > If that's true, I am even more against this... what does that say about us? > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Anthony wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Mark Willia

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Anthony wrote: > I assume Mr. Newmark made a significant donation. > Looking at "Craig's appeal", now I see what gave me that impression: "I'm a proud supporter of Wikipedia, and I encourage you to make a donation to support their work too." Could be just a pl

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009/12/15 David Gerard : > 2009/12/15 Mark Williamson : > >> If that's true, I am even more against this... what does that say about us? > > > Didn't we have this discussion around Virgin Unite? > > >http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Wikimedia_Foundation_to_introduce_paid_editing > To an

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009/12/15 Tim Starling : > Aryeh Gregor wrote: >> In contrast, by emitting >> carbon dioxide, you're contributing to an effect that won't be a big >> deal for at least a few more decades. > It's a big deal already, and by the time it becomes an even bigger > deal, it will be too late to act. The

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > It's a big deal already, and by the time it becomes an even bigger > deal, it will be too late to act. The global climate takes decades to > respond to changes in forcing factors. Even if we stopped all > greenhouse gas emissions now, the eart

Re: [Foundation-l] My new blog and foundation-l

2009/12/15 Steven Walling : > Have you added your new blog to Open Wiki Blog Planet and the Wikimedia > aggregator? The en:wp arbcom have started messing with the Open Wiki Blog Planet, on the pretext that if the control page is on en:wp then they must own it. Suggest moving control page to Meta

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

geni wrote: > 2009/12/15 David Gerard : > >> Craig Newmark's on the WMF advisory board. Craigslist is already >> famous. I really think it's pushing us forward, not the other way >> around. >> > Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a > million. Craigslist is at ab

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, geni wrote: > Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a > million. > Yizhao Lang has about 1,000. But I guess you didn't mention the company he works for. The horror. ___ foundation-l mailing

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

Might I suggest that we're getting a bit off-track here with these broad debates on climate change issues? I think if we're considering spending $20k/yr on environmental initiatives, then the most effective way for us and the path most in line with Wikimedia's core mission would be to spend that m

Re: [Foundation-l] My new blog and foundation-l

2009/12/15 Steven Walling : > Have you added your new blog to Open Wiki Blog Planet and the Wikimedia > aggregator? I've asked for it to be added to Planet Wikimedia. I've never heard of the other one. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wi

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009/12/15 Michael Snow : > That's a strangely limited notion of who has the capability to help - > only people who are quantitatively more famous than us? For a project > that's built around lots and lots of individual contributions (whether > we're talking content, finances, or publicity), none o

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009/12/15 Anthony : > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, geni wrote: > >> Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a >> million. >> > > Yizhao Lang has about 1,000. But I guess you didn't mention the company he > works for. The horror. With Yizhao Lang it was what they w

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

We've advertised third party for-profits in the past with prominent matched donations notices before (albeit controversially). This isn't that different. Craigslist gets some publicity and we get some money (hopefully - it's more definite in the matched donations case, of course). I don't see a pro

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:58 AM, geni wrote: > 2009/12/15 Anthony : > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, geni wrote: > > > >> Craig Newmark has around 300K google results. Jimbo is at half a > >> million. > >> > > > > Yizhao Lang has about 1,000. But I guess you didn't mention the company >

Re: [Foundation-l] My new blog and foundation-l

2009/12/15 Thomas Dalton : > 2009/12/15 Steven Walling : >> Have you added your new blog to Open Wiki Blog Planet and the Wikimedia >> aggregator? > I've asked for it to be added to Planet Wikimedia. I've never heard of > the other one. http://open.wikiblogplanet.com/ Control page: http://en.

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 16:47, geni wrote: > Craig Newmark has around  300K google results. Jimbo is at half a > million. Craigslist is at about 65 million wikipedia is at about 300 > million. For groups that almost entirely exist online that's a fair > solid way of showing which is more significa

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009/12/15 Delphine Ménard : > Just so I understand your argument. Were Jimmy Wales to lend his name > and good will to support a cause {insert here name of noble cause you > believe in}, I suppose you would summarize his help as "oh, he's > trying to get his company to get a better image"? Wait, I

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM, geni wrote: > 2009/12/15 Delphine Ménard : > > And whether it is Craig Newmark, the Dalai Lama, the Pope or my > > neighbours, if their "supporting" a good cause actually works and > > money comes in and awareness rises, frankly, I say "go ahead" and > > "thanks

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:55 AM, geni wrote: > So you are okey with adverts on wikipedia as long as they are ah > ""supporting" a good cause"? Noun advertisement (plural advertisements) (marketing) A commercial solicitation designed to sell some commodity, service or similar. I really don't se

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009/12/15 Philippe Beaudette : > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 11:55 AM, geni wrote: > >> So you are okey with adverts on wikipedia as long as they are ah >> ""supporting" a good cause"? > > > Noun > advertisement (plural advertisements) > (marketing) A commercial solicitation designed to sell some comm

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:55 AM, geni wrote: > The text of the advert: > "Craig of Craigslist urges you to support Wikipedia. Why?" > > In that context the separation between person and company is rather weak. The name "Craig Newmark" is web-searchable but many people not in the web industry won'

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

geni wrote: > 2009/12/15 Michael Snow : > >> That's a strangely limited notion of who has the capability to help - >> only people who are quantitatively more famous than us? For a project >> that's built around lots and lots of individual contributions (whether >> we're talking content, finances

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

If I were a rich and famous person that wanted to help out the WMF I would get shitscared by this list and wouldn't touch the foundation with a 10 foot pole W ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://li

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

Domas Mituzas writes: > > Erik, > > > The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English > > Wikipedia. > > How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English speaking countries, or countries where > English is used as second/primary language on the web? :) > I fo

[Foundation-l] Strategy Question of the Week: Dec 14

http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Question_of_the_week Last week's Question of the week focused on how Wikimedia could change its technology to enable a friendlier and more welcoming environment. Certainly new technology and increasing the friendliness is one tactic that Wikipedia might use

[Foundation-l] some attention regarding our ad placement

http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2009/12/wikis-fundraising-ads-send-wrong-message.html Ah, well. :) Judson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cohesion ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

Can we kill this thread? It appears quite clear that the Foundation staff have decided to run the Craig ad, and nothing here will affect their decision. From: Waerth To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 11:02:54 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikinews-l] Strategy Question of the Week: Dec 14

On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 14:08 -0600, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Question_of_the_week > > > Last week's Question of the week focused on how Wikimedia could change > its technology to enable a friendlier and more welcoming environment. > Certainly new technology an

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikinews-l] Strategy Question of the Week: Dec 14

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Brian McNeil wrote: > Sorry to be blunt but, Why is this question so Wikipedia-centric? Other > projects have proved ideal testing grounds for usability and such. The question is meant to be about all Wikimedia projects. The data itself is Wikipedia-centric. There

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > geni wrote: >> 2009/12/15 Michael Snow : >> >>> That's a strangely limited notion of who has the capability to help - >>> only people who are quantitatively more famous than us? For a project >>> that's built around lots and lots of individua

Re: [Foundation-l] (no subject)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Sorry to be blunt but, Why is this question so Wikipedia-centric? Other > projects have proved ideal testing grounds for usability and such. > Because Wikipedia is the cash cow. I was going to rant, but it became too depressing because it wouldn't

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 23:00, phoebe ayers wrote: > Indeed; and arguably Craig Newmark is much, much more famous in San > Francisco (where he's a local celeb) than he would be pretty much > anywhere else. That might be part of the issue here. If you know who > he is in the SF-tech-community-phil

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

On 12/15/2009 11:20 AM, Bryan Tong Minh wrote: > I for one have never heart of Craigslist before and I don't think I have heart > anybody talking about it before in real life. > This may be a regional thing. According to Alexa, Craiglist is the 11th most popular US web site, while Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] My new blog and foundation-l

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:20 AM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/12/15 Steven Walling : > >> Have you added your new blog to Open Wiki Blog Planet and the Wikimedia >> aggregator? > > > The en:wp arbcom have started messing with the Open Wiki Blog Planet, > on the pretext that if the control page is on

Re: [Foundation-l] My new blog and foundation-l

> > I removed David Shankbone's blog because the most recent blog post (at > the time) was excessively nasty towards a living person who we have a > biography about. > > My edit was in no way an Arbcom edit.  It even came after I resigned > from en:wp Arbcom. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php

Re: [Foundation-l] some attention regarding our ad placement

2009/12/15 Judson Dunn : > http://adweek.blogs.com/adfreak/2009/12/wikis-fundraising-ads-send-wrong-message.html > Ah, well. :) Hey, free publicity! *cough* - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lis

Re: [Foundation-l] My new blog and foundation-l

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Nathan wrote: >... > Can you explain why you think you should decide what content is and is > not displayed on an off-site blog aggregator? I'm just curious. The > control page seems like a convenient way for people to sign themselves > up, not an invitation to Wik

[Foundation-l] Office hours Thursday, December 17

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This Thursday's office hours will feature Sara Crouse, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Partnerships and Foundation Relations. Sara's biography is available at . Office hours on Thursday are from

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

Aryeh Gregor wrote: > I said "directly". Militaries kill people directly. Global warming > kills people indirectly. I'll take my reply offlist. I have a blog post at tstarling.com where I've been canvassing this issue, I think that would be a better home for this debate than private email, since