Re: [Foundation-l] Communication

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you Phoebe, you've been of a great help. I'll ponder your answers for a while. On 03/06/2010 07:21, phoebe ayers wrote: > Hi Noein, > > With no comment on the issue you were interested in, you raise good > questions about internal communication

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

Mike Godwin wrote: > Gerard writes: > > Hoi, > >> When I read: "Wikisource content in the French language targets the French >> public, and therefore, under French conflict of laws principles, the >> copyright law of France applies to this content." I do read the French >> public. Wikisource do

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global Development Officer and new Chief Community Officer

Hi, Daniel On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Daniel Phelps wrote: > On Jun 2, 2010, at 9:40 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > >> Also as I'm sure you're aware it's definitely time to update >> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:Org_Chart_Without_Names.png ! >> (from [[wmf:staff]] >> >> -- Phoebe > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Subscription to the Wikimedia Announcements list for foundation-l

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:23 AM, James Alexander wrote: > I'm not sure if it is in the mailing list settings or if it's > gmail but I do not get a copy of an email I sent out and if I remember > correctly there was a mailing list option for that... I don't always > remember correctly though :). >

Re: [Foundation-l] Subscription to the Wikimedia Announcements list for foundation-l

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:23 AM, James Alexander wrote: >> I'm not sure if it is in the mailing list settings or if it's >> gmail but I do not get a copy of an email I sent out and if I remember >> correctly there was a mailing list option for

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

James, you're right. I did back-of-the-envelope calculations last year, which don't bear scrutiny but are useful for ballparks. If you assume every word added to the projects is worth a dollar (it isn't, for a variety of reasons, but it's what professional journalists are often paid) -- then I b

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > It seems then that there is a question of jurisdiction involved.  It has > been my long held understanding that the Wikimedia projects have > operated under the laws of the United States, and that WMF has been > consistent in its view that ch

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global Development Officer and new Chief Community Officer

More Canadians to the staff?! I tought we already talk about that!!! Good luck :) Itzik Edri | T: +972.54.5878078 | it...@infra.co.il | Facebook | Twitter | Flickr | Linkedin

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > > It seems then that there is a question of jurisdiction involved. It has > been my long held understanding that the Wikimedia projects have operated > under the laws of the United States, and that WMF has been consistent in its > view that

[Foundation-l] Office action

Can we please have a page on meta on take down notices and possible reactions? I only found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Office_actions I think that WMF has the duty to inform the communities in a general way what can be done afterwards a take down. Regarding the Munich logo mentioned

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

Canadians are good for Wikimedia because we have a, uh, healthy sensitivity to American cultural dominance. When Barry and I were kids, our prime minister famously characterized Canada as a mouse in bed with an elephant -- no matter how friendly the elephant is, you're affected by every twitch a

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

The way I heard the US described as was: "a large friendly dog in a small cluttered room - every time it wags its tail it knocks over a piece of furniture" :-) wittylama.com/blog Peace, love & metadata On 3 June 2010 15:32, wrote: > Canadians are good for Wikimedia because we have a, uh, healt

[Foundation-l] Removal of material for which there is a claim of copyright infringement.

A few months ago an example of the Rey-Osterrieth Complex Figure was deleted. This was done by a commons admin and the only note left was this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Rey-osterreith_example.jpg&oldid=29878917I agree that it would be great for those following up to have

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global Development Officer and new Chief Community Officer

On 3 June 2010 03:23:06 UTC+1, Sue Gardner wrote: > I am really happy to announce two important new Wikimedia Foundation > hires.  Zack Exley will be Wikimedia's new Chief Community Officer, > and Barry Newstead will be our Chief Global Development Officer.  Both > will start just before Wikimania

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

On 3 June 2010 15:26, Mike Godwin wrote: > It turns out that foreign copyright judgments are more easily enforceable > against U.S. entities in  United States courts than other kinds of > judgments, due to the copyright lobby's efforts to shape international > copyright and enforcement treaties.

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

On 3 June 2010 16:14, David Gerard wrote: > If you can link in your notifications to a handy guide to contesting a > DMCA takedown notice, that would probably answer the concerns in this > thread. It's clear that people weren't sure if they could re-add > things at all, ever, after a takedown not

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global Development Officer and new Chief Community Officer

Itzik Edri wrote: > More Canadians to the staff?! I tought we already talk about that!!! > > Good luck :) > > More Canadians on staff can't be all that bad. Noting that he was not born in Canada gives his appointment a more global flavour. :-) Ray > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:23 AM, Sue Gardn

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote: > Canadians are good for Wikimedia because we have a, uh, healthy sensitivity > to American cultural dominance. When Barry and I were kids, our prime > minister famously characterized Canada as a mouse in bed with an elephant -- > no matter how friendly the elephan

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010/6/3 David Gerard : > On 3 June 2010 16:14, David Gerard wrote: > >> If you can link in your notifications to a handy guide to contesting a >> DMCA takedown notice, that would probably answer the concerns in this >> thread. It's clear that people weren't sure if they could re-add >> things at

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > Who cares if people click them a lot?  The space they formally > occupied is filled with nothing now. > > They were equally valuable as a marketing statement about the breadth > and inclusiveness of our project as they were as a navigational

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Austin Hair wrote: > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> Who cares if people click them a lot?  The space they formally >> occupied is filled with nothing now. >> >> They were equally valuable as a marketing statement about the breadth >> and

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010/6/3 Fajro : > Maybe we should support the "Language Icon" idea: > > http://languageicon.org/index-icon.php That icon seems about as intuitive as the name "Hyperion Frobnosticating Endoswitch" for FlaggedRevs. The only relevant mental association that comes to mind is "robot tongue". -- Erik

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Austin Hair wrote: > Last night I was discussing this with Finne (henna), and she proposed > that we might show a default list based on the user's most likely > language(s), while still keeping the others collapsed by default. > > This could be done using the HTTP a

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010/6/3 Austin Hair : > Last night I was discussing this with Finne (henna), and she proposed > that we might show a default list based on the user's most likely > language(s), while still keeping the others collapsed by default. Yes, we discussed this internally as well as a better path to expos

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

Erik Moeller wrote: > 2010/6/3 Fajro : > >> Maybe we should support the "Language Icon" idea: >> >> http://languageicon.org/index-icon.php >> > That icon seems about as intuitive as the name "Hyperion > Frobnosticating Endoswitch" for FlaggedRevs. The only relevant mental > association that

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

Hi Phoebe, You're right about the overlap -- there isn't a sharp clear line between the two roles, which I may live to regret :-) But basically, blur is unavoidable in our context. When I worked in an organization that was very large and very stable, the right way to approach hiring was (frank

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

so if I understand correctly, the US is afraid of Canada? hmmm interesting ;) 2010/6/3 > Canadians are good for Wikimedia because we have a, uh, healthy sensitivity > to American cultural dominance. When Barry and I were kids, our prime > minister famously characterized Canada as a mouse in bed

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

Terrified. For that reason, I actually did not unveil my country-of-origin to the Board until a few weeks ago. That is one of Canadians' special skills: we can walk amongst Americans, and they are completely unaware :-) (I did tell the European board members. And Bishakha.) Sent from my Verizon

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

On 3 June 2010 19:33, Lodewijk wrote: > so if I understand correctly, the US is afraid of Canada? hmmm interesting > ;) Given the Canadians I've met, I can't really blame them. ;) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscri

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

We have a couple threads on this issue but picking the most recent :). It appears that this has now been changed ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23497 ) and so once the next revision is pushed live the interwikis would be visible by default. James Alexander james.alexan...@rochest

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM, wrote: > Terrified. For that reason, I actually did not unveil my country-of-origin to > the Board until a few weeks ago. That is one of Canadians' special skills: we > can walk amongst Americans, and they are completely unaware :-) That's not true, many Americ

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

It's Tranna. You got me. *sigh* --Original Message-- From: George Herbert To: Sue Gardner GMail To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer Sent: 3 Jun 2010 12:46 PM On Thu, Jun 3, 20

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: >> http://languageicon.org/index-icon.php > > That icon seems about as intuitive as the name "Hyperion > Frobnosticating Endoswitch" for FlaggedRevs. We could make a different icon, the idea is having a single symbol for "language". >The only

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote: > It's Tranna. You got me. *sigh* > The pronunciation varies, and becomes much clearer if you live farther from the centre of the universe. The risk with the "Tranna" punctuation is that one might be taken for an Albanian spy. Ray > --Original Message-

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

Lodewijk wrote: > so if I understand correctly, the US is afraid of Canada? hmmm interesting > ;) > Self-deprecating humour is another great weapon. It is very difficult to understand when you believe that you are in the most powerful nation in the world. Ray > 2010/6/3 > Canadians are good

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > if you live farther > from the centre of the universe > Boston? ;) * *http://www.boston.com/travel/boston/boston_nicknames/ (actually on the wiki article too, I'm proud) James Alexander james.alexan...@rochester.edu jameso...@gmail.com ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

Hoi, An other nice back-of-the-envelope calculation compares developers and localisers. Suppose that for a particular job a developer costs 100 and a localiser for one language costs 1. What is more expensive / valuable, the development of software or the localisation of the same software? At tran

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

On Jun 3, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Self-deprecating humour is another great weapon. It is very > difficult to > understand when you believe that you are in the most powerful nation > in > the world. > > Ray This entire thread is giving me an inferiority complex. Luckily, I c

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > This entire thread is giving me an inferiority complex. > > Luckily, I claim Canada because my family is from there a couple > generations back. I once dated a girl from Minnesota—that's like the same thing, right? Austin _

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

If you want to challenge a takedown notice, the proper (and only) course of action is to file a counter-notice. I had work that I did on Commons taken down by a bogus DMCA takedown notice several years ago. Instead of complaining to the Foundation, which would have been pointless (as they are b

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

On 3 June 2010 21:42, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > There are several handy online guides for how to file DMCA > counter-notices. It is very easy and doesn't require hiring a lawyer. > The only catch is that by filing the counter-notice you are putting your > money where your mouth is and legally asserti

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global DevelopmentOfficer and new Chief Community Officer

On 3 June 2010 20:40, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Self-deprecating humour is another great weapon. It is very difficult to > understand when you believe that you are in the most powerful nation in > the world. Americans understand humor, whereas Canadians understand *humour*. - d. ___

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

On 3 June 2010 19:04, Erik Moeller wrote: > Yes, we discussed this internally as well as a better path to exposse > Wikipedia's multilingual nature than to dump a long list of native > language names in the sidebar (we might have an expansion link such as > "Show X other languages" to indicate th

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Announcing new Chief Global Development Officer and new Chief Community Officer

Hi Aphaia, I'll keep that in mind and plan to update it when I roll out the changes to the staff page. Thanks, -Daniel On Jun 3, 2010, at 3:05 AM, Aphaia wrote: > Hi, Daniel > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Daniel Phelps wrote: >> On Jun 2, 2010, at 9:40 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: >> >>> Al

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

James Alexander wrote: > We have a couple threads on this issue but picking the most recent :). It > appears that this has now been changed ( > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23497 ) and so once the next > revision is pushed live the interwikis would be visible by default. > > Jame

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

It would be nice to actually have a place at the usability wiki to discuss this. My own view is that the actual list of languages was the ideal interface object in fulfilling many purposes (as discussed in the posts above) and implying multiple levels of understanding without the need for explan

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > Erik Moeller wrote: >> 2010/6/3 Fajro : >> >>> Maybe we should support the "Language Icon" idea: >>> >>> http://languageicon.org/index-icon.php >>> >> That icon seems about as intuitive as the name "Hyperion >> Frobnosticating Endoswitch" for

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

Per Erik M.'s previous post, we're working on a compromise solution whereby we show a list based on user's most likely language(s), probably based on browser, and then a "see other languages" link which would expand to give all the other langauages. We're also looking at changing the word "Lan

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

Any "see other languages" link should take into account the nature of the article; an article on a Japanese topic should display the Japanese wp link (if any) . This would not be impossible to do programmatically. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Howie Fung wrote: > Per Erik M.'s previous post, w

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:04 AM, David Goodman wrote: > Any "see other languages" link should take into account the nature of > the article; an article on a Japanese topic should display the > Japanese wp link (if any) .  This would not be impossible to do > programmatically. While that is "impos

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

John Vandenberg wrote: > While that is "impossible" (read: hard), a simple approximation is to > display languages links for the 10 "largest" corresponding articles in > other languages, and then show a "more.." when there are more than 10. > > Another option is for contributors to specify which o

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: >> Who cares if people click them a lot?  The space they formally >> occupied is filled with nothing now. > > Interface clutter is not psychologically free.  Empty space is better > than s

[Foundation-l] Vector skin on Wikisource

There are plans to change the default skin to 'vector'. There have been bugs in the vector skin which have broken the Wikisource extensions, but it looks like most have been fixed. One remaining problem is that the vector skin hides links to other languages. A bug was raised to rectify this, but

[Foundation-l] Pending Changes (nee Flagged Protection) update for June 3

As requested, here's the weekly Pending Changes update. The big news is that we have picked a date for releasing the new version of Flagged Revisions and launching the trial of Pending Changes on the English Wikipedia: June 14. I'd like to stress that this will be a trial. The goal is to learn,

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

Hello, 2010/6/4 MZMcBride : > John Vandenberg wrote: >> While that is "impossible" (read: hard), a simple approximation is to >> display languages links for the 10 "largest" corresponding articles in >> other languages, and then show a "more.." when there are more than 10. >> >> Another option is

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

Hello, 2010/6/4 Platonides : > James Alexander wrote: >> We have a couple threads on this issue but picking the most recent :). It >> appears that this has now been changed ( >> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23497 ) and so once the next >> revision is pushed live the interwikis wo

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

On 2 Jun 2010, at 22:51, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > A tiny benefit to a hundred > million people wouldn't justify making wikipedia very hard to use for > a hundred thousand Can you justify that the change has now made it very hard for users of those interlanguage links? Given that it's now one cl

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

--- El jue 3-jun-10, phoebe ayers escribió: > That said, having the # of languages and/or a global > selector as > others have mentioned are both good ideas too and could be > a good > compromise. Can't we use a flag in a cookie to remember the choice of show/collapse the language list ? That