Michael Snow wrote:
> To avoid further disrupting discussion of interlanguage links and
> usability, I'll address the cultural problems separately now. I must
> admit, though, that in a discussion where we seemed to have agreed
> (rightfully so) that a 1% click rate was significant enough to war
Michael Snow wrote:
> To avoid further disrupting discussion of interlanguage links and
> usability, I'll address the cultural problems separately now. I must
> admit, though, that in a discussion where we seemed to have agreed
> (rightfully so) that a 1% click rate was significant enough to war
On 6/7/2010 5:25 PM, Aphaia wrote:
> True, but it reminded me on the time English Wikipedia sanctioned
> non-latin script usernames and blocked them indefinitely and forced
> them to rename for months. At that time many English Wikipedia sysops
> supported this idea and much more of them were indif
wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
> Ray Saintonge wrote:
>
>> As an example consider an orphan work last published in the United
>> States more than seventy years ago. It would at first glance appear to
>> qualify for the shorter libraries and archives rule for republication.
>> When it ap
Hello!
As a part of global roll-out of the new user interface to Wikipedia and
Wikimedia Projects[1][2], the user experience team is working with
translators and the user experience ambassadors to prepare for rolling
out the new default user interface to nine languages of Wikipedia,
Japanese,
Native Americans used to compare European Americans to spiders.
http://www.native-languages.org/cheyenne-legends.htm
That referred to our quick adaptive nature that was not rooted in
tradition. We seem to be very clever and good at things, but not
committed to anything. I think the problem has pr
True, but it reminded me on the time English Wikipedia sanctioned
non-latin script usernames and blocked them indefinitely and forced
them to rename for months. At that time many English Wikipedia sysops
supported this idea and much more of them were indifferent. If I
recall correctly, no board mem
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On 07/06/2010 20:32, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Mark Williamson wrote:
>> Aryeh, I was under the (apparently mistaken?) impression that at
>> Wikipedia, the community makes the decisions
>
> Not exactly. If the community
Ray Saintonge wrote:
>
> As an example consider an orphan work last published in the United
> States more than seventy years ago. It would at first glance appear to
> qualify for the shorter libraries and archives rule for republication.
> When it appears at wikisource there is a discussion t
On 7 June 2010 23:16, Howie Fung wrote:
>
>
> So in terms of a path forward, here is a proposal:
> 1. Immediate revert so that all languages are exposed by default.
> 2. We will continue work on a compromise solution. The current
> interface is probably not perfect, so we’ll be continuing to l
To avoid further disrupting discussion of interlanguage links and
usability, I'll address the cultural problems separately now. I must
admit, though, that in a discussion where we seemed to have agreed
(rightfully so) that a 1% click rate was significant enough to warrant
serious consideration,
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
> geni wrote:
> > On 7 June 2010 19:21, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
> >
> >> I've added a new section on DMCA compliance to both the en.wiki and meta
> >> Office actions pages:
> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_actions
> >> http://en.wikipedi
geni wrote:
> On 7 June 2010 19:21, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
>
>> I've added a new section on DMCA compliance to both the en.wiki and meta
>> Office actions pages:
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_actions
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Office_actions
>>
>> Please feel free to augm
Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> Because evidence is a great thing, but judgment is necessary too. It
> would be nice if you could do everything strictly based on evidence,
> but real life isn't so simple.
Agreed. So why are you dismissing people's arguments on the basis
that they stem from such judgement
I agree that the User Experience Team and the community are still
learning how to most effectively work together to do product
development. Things aren't perfect, and it make take some time before
we get to a comfortable point. I think the best thing we can do is to
continue learning from eac
One major problem I have with this entire initiative, at least as I
understand it, is that data was only collected from en.wp and mostly
from native English speakers. Wikipedia is not monolingual, although
many of our users are... and it's important to remember that many of
these people are monolin
Corrected.
Ryan Kaldari
On 6/7/10 12:02 PM, geni wrote:
> On 7 June 2010 19:21, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
>
>> I've added a new section on DMCA compliance to both the en.wiki and meta
>> Office actions pages:
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_actions
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedi
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Eugene Eric Kim wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:03 PM, wrote:
>>> Sorry for top-posting.
>>>
>>> Austin, think about who "everyone" is. The folks here on foundation-l are
>>> not representative of rea
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:43 AM, Lodewijk wrote:
> thanks for the explanation, I think the whole banning was quite justified.
> But besides that, as I also asked in an earlier email, I can understand
> geniice's feeling that it is unclear what the topics are (which can be
> solved by an agenda as h
On 7 June 2010 19:21, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
> I've added a new section on DMCA compliance to both the en.wiki and meta
> Office actions pages:
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_actions
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Office_actions
>
> Please feel free to augment with additional info.
Hi Everyone -
Our next strategic planning office hours will be: 04:00-05:00 UTC,
Wednesday, 9 June. Local timezones can be checked at
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2010&month=6&day=9&hour=04&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
As always, you can access the chat by going to
https://webch
On 7 June 2010 16:52, Eugene Eric Kim wrote:
> Good design isn't just about following the user path; it's also about
> guiding the users in a way that's appropriate to the mission of the
> work.
This appears to sum up the problem with this change: the usability
team focused on some ideal of usa
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Mark Williamson wrote:
> Aryeh, I was under the (apparently mistaken?) impression that at
> Wikipedia, the community makes the decisions
Not exactly. If the community actually made decisions, Wikipedia
would be a direct democracy, and it's not. The community doe
On 7 June 2010 14:55, Victor Vasiliev wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>> If you don't know the history of racial issues in the US, you might not
>> realize just how serious a subject lynching is. In that cultural
>> context, it is not something to be joked about.
>
I've added a new section on DMCA compliance to both the en.wiki and meta
Office actions pages:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Office_actions
Please feel free to augment with additional info.
Ryan Kaldari
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AGK wrote:
> On 6 Jun 2010, at 22:54, Keegan Peterzell wrote:
>
>> Let's start a meta page where people can
>> register thoughts/complaints/grievances/joy/sorry to WMF staff. If
>> it is a
>> serious concern, the staff can respond after someone consults with
>> them and
>> receive either a
On 6 Jun 2010, at 22:54, Keegan Peterzell wrote:
> Let's start a meta page where people can
> register thoughts/complaints/grievances/joy/sorry to WMF staff. If
> it is a
> serious concern, the staff can respond after someone consults with
> them and
> receive either a you can handle it or I
Maybe we should discuss if the usability is more important than
multilinguism (It's not!) in Wikimedia Projects.
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Elias Gabriel Amaral da Silva <
> If one wants to talk about usability, it's important to keep track the
> most impaired users, because they have more u
phoebe ayers wrote:
>
> Uh... much as I like Kat (and she's not the only female member,
> there's also Bishakha), singling out her view as representative of all
> women on the projects is, arguably, part of the problem. Are there so
> few women speaking up as part of the community discussion that t
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:03 PM, wrote:
>> Sorry for top-posting.
>>
>> Austin, think about who "everyone" is. The folks here on foundation-l are
>> not representative of readers. The job of the user experience team is to
>> try to bala
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Chad wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Birgitte SB wrote:
>> --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Victor Vasiliev wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:42 AM,
>>> Michael Snow
>>> wrote:
>>> > If you don't know the history of racial issues in the
>>> US, you might not
>>> >
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
wrote:
> Michael Snow wrote:
>>
>> Similarly, we know that the community population skews young and male.
>> That has important consequences, and some of those unfortunately
>> reinforce our lack of diversity. It's been pointed out what a
>> ma
(not pointing to anyone specifically)
could we please stop this side track now? I think everybody knows what the
other person means, and it doesn't really matter after all... at least not
to this discussion.
Lodewijk
2010/6/7 Birgitte SB
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Victor Vasiliev wrote:
>
> >
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Birgitte SB wrote:
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Victor Vasiliev wrote:
>
>> From: Victor Vasiliev
>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad
>> Idea, part 2
>> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
>> Date: Monday, June 7, 2010
--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Victor Vasiliev wrote:
> From: Victor Vasiliev
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad
> Idea, part 2
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
> Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 8:55 AM
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:42 AM,
> Michael Snow
> w
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
> If you don't know the history of racial issues in the US, you might not
> realize just how serious a subject lynching is. In that cultural
> context, it is not something to be joked about.
Your post is a brilliant example of agressive disrespe
Andrew Garrett wrote:
> I will say to be fair that the best response to what you perceive as a
> poor design choice in somebody else's code is not to revert them and
> say "There, I fixed it for you. Thank me later.", but perhaps to
> discuss it with them first and find a compromise. There's an
> i
Andrew Garrett writes:
> I will say to be fair that the best response to what you perceive as a
> poor design choice in somebody else's code is not to revert them and
> say "There, I fixed it for you. Thank me later.", but perhaps to
> discuss it with them first and find a compromise. There's an
>
--- On Mon, 7/6/10, Andrew Gray wrote:
> There is a piece of user js which was implemented on en
> which does
> this, incidentally:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Manishearth/Scripts#Wikipedia_interwiki_translator
>
> - it turns, eg, "Espanol" into "Spanish (t)", with the (t)
> link goin
On 7 June 2010 08:42, Ray Saintonge wrote:
> Given the availability of translations that are just a click away, not
> even a native English speaker has to fear that clicking on an interwiki
> link will produce an unintelligible page. There could even be value to a
> double list which gives the op
Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> I used the interwiki links all the time in this manner at work, and still do.
> It was one of the things that turned me on to Wikipedia and caused me to
> start contributing, and eventually to register an account.
>
> As others have said, if the interwiki links had not bee
On 6/6/2010 9:03 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
> Michael Snow wrote:
>
>> Similarly, we know that the community population skews young and male.
>> That has important consequences, and some of those unfortunately
>> reinforce our lack of diversity. It's been pointed out what a
>> male-centri
--- El dom 6-jun-10, Michael Snow escribió:
> > I always think I don't have the page in my watchlist!!!
> >
> > Now, that's a reason to complain (Lynch the usability team!)
> >
> I trust that at least the last part of this was meant as a
> joke, but I think it's worth a comment anyway.
Mi
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