Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Robin Pepermans wrote: > I just realized that we will be able to add languages to > http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/langlist without having any existing > wiki in that language. Instead, they will point to Incubator when the > redirects are implemented. > For example

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey

I just realized that we will be able to add languages to http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/langlist without having any existing wiki in that language. Instead, they will point to Incubator when the redirects are implemented. For example, all redlinks on Special:SiteMatrix will point to the Incubator wi

[Foundation-l] Wikimania: thank you to our hosts :-)

Hi folks, I don't know if anyone has made a post-Wikimania thread yet thanking our hosts --- if so, I'm sorry to duplicate, but I've missed it. It was such an amazing Wikimania! I want to say thanks to everyone who helped make it happen --- the site selection jury, the Israeli chapter, the local

Re: [Foundation-l] Alec Conroy

On 12 August 2011 20:37, Sue Gardner wrote: > I have mixed feelings about him leaving. I don't know everything he did > on-wiki, but I know enough to respect his contributions, and I also found > his e-mails (both on-list and off) enormously thoughtful and valuable. I am > sad he's left and I'm g

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

On 12 August 2011 20:53, geni wrote: > On 12 August 2011 20:24, George Herbert wrote: >> We still have wide gaps in knowledge coverage.  Not in the most common >> areas, but in many specialized areas, where they're not heavily >> geek-populated. > Yes but those don't have much to do with normal

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

On 12 August 2011 20:59, George Herbert wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:53 PM, geni wrote: >> On 12 August 2011 20:24, George Herbert wrote: >>> We still have wide gaps in knowledge coverage.  Not in the most common >>> areas, but in many specialized areas, where they're not heavily >>> geek

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:53 PM, geni wrote: > On 12 August 2011 20:24, George Herbert wrote: >> We still have wide gaps in knowledge coverage.  Not in the most common >> areas, but in many specialized areas, where they're not heavily >> geek-populated. >> > > Yes but those don't have much to do

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

On 12 August 2011 20:24, George Herbert wrote: > We still have wide gaps in knowledge coverage.  Not in the most common > areas, but in many specialized areas, where they're not heavily > geek-populated. > Yes but those don't have much to do with normal applications of encyclopedias. -- geni

Re: [Foundation-l] Alec Conroy

Yeah, Alec wrote me just before he left. I hope he doesn't mind me saying this here: he told me he was scrambling his Wikimedia and GMail passwords, and that he won't be back. (He did say he's going to continue to donate, which is great; he just won't be active on-wiki.) I have mixed feelings abou

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:16 PM, geni wrote: > On 12 August 2011 13:47, David Gerard wrote: >> On 12 August 2011 13:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: >> >>> My point is that making it easy to fork does not create good competitors. >>> Good competitors come from elsewhere. And they will come, if we

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

On 12 August 2011 13:47, David Gerard wrote: > On 12 August 2011 13:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > >> My point is that making it easy to fork does not create good competitors. >> Good competitors come from elsewhere. And they will come, if we do not >> deploy WISIWIG, not lower the entrance bar

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?

You can upload them to Internet Archive. 2011/8/12 Itzik Edri > Each files is about 2GB size... As commons allow us to upload only 100MB > per > file, we will need later to resize them and upload them via the > sys-admins.. > Now we trying to finish working on the original files so they could be

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Roan Kattouw wrote: > If you really have a lot of > data (as you might for what's probably on the order of 5x3x6=90 hours of > video) > and are having trouble hosting all of it, you can also put it on a data > carrier > (say a stack of DVDs) and mail it to the da

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

Man, Gerard is thinking about new methods to fork (in an easy way) single articles, sets of articles or complete wikipedias, and people reply about setting up servers/mediawiki/importing_databases and other geeky weekend parties. That is why there is no successful forks. Forking Wikipedia is _hard_

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?

Béria Lima writes: > > Itzik you can create a bugzila request to that. I created one for Wikipedia > Academy in Portugal last year ( > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26454 ) and you can do the > same with Wikimania ones. Even each one being 2GB I'd be happy to import stuff for yo

Re: [Foundation-l] Sending announcements to this list

We need Jay Walsh to check the number of subscribers; they're probably still way less than the 1100 ca. this list has... But this doesn't necessarily mean that sending announcements to this list will actually increase the number of people who /read/ them... Nemo __

Re: [Foundation-l] Alec Conroy

Well, he called it "EnWP Burnout", but Wikimedia is not only en.wiki. It's quite natural to take a pause after such an activity peak, but I expect and hope that he'll soon come back and find other (less frustrating) way to contribute in one of the places when you can actually make a difference. Too

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Chapters and some of their coolest activities

Thank you again Lodewijk, your presentation was awesome. :-) On 9 August 2011 20:46, Samuel Klein wrote: > It would be awesome to remedy this.  I added a comment here: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:File_types They should at least be enabled on some wikis (and they partly are):

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

Perhaps we might reflect on all the mistakes made by far older global NPOs - the Catholic Church and all the younger proselytizing churches are good examples.The mission has always been the dissemination of knowledge (of a specific sort), so it has experiences that might be helpful - what not t

[Foundation-l] Chapters and replacing the Audit committee

To answer Michael Snow's concerns. Yes there is an efficiency problem if you have a global audit committee covering organisations in multiple legal jurisdictions. But that problem is the same whether you have the existing WMF committee covering the chapters or you replace that US-centric committee

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?

Itzik you can create a bugzila request to that. I created one for Wikipedia Academy in Portugal last year ( https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26454 ) and you can do the same with Wikimania ones. Even each one being 2GB _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagin

Re: [Foundation-l] disconnected

On 12 August 2011 16:43, Milos Rancic wrote: > So, I am a bit puzzled with the cryptic discussion at internal-l. It > looks like something really bad happened recently, while I am not able > to understand what it was. I mean, what is so bad now which wasn't > that bad or worse a year or so ago? T

[Foundation-l] WikiChix Wikimania 2011 Report

Hi everyone, Pardon the cross-posting. I just wanted to share my report from Wikimania 2011's WikiChix lunch. http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiChix_Lunch_2011 We had over 40 women attend, including the Deputy Mayor of Haifa. Thanks to all who attended, including Sue Gardner for mediating a

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?

Each files is about 2GB size... As commons allow us to upload only 100MB per file, we will need later to resize them and upload them via the sys-admins.. Now we trying to finish working on the original files so they could be upload to youtube. Commons is, of course, is our next task... On Wed, Au

Re: [Foundation-l] disconnected

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 15:15, Nathan wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> I was really surprised this morning by the fact that during the recent >> days internal-l has beaten foundation-l by activity; which means that >> I didn't have enough time to read everything. >

Re: [Foundation-l] Alec Conroy

That's really unfortunate :( The best way I can think of to honor his recent contributions is to have a look at his meta userpage: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Alecmconroy which is filled with all sorts of good and ambitious ideas about the future of our projects, and begin to discuss them

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Birgitte SB wrote: > > > > > > > > >rom: phoebe ayers > >To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > >Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:13 AM > >Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters > > > >On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Michael Snow

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

> >rom: phoebe ayers >To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List >Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:13 AM >Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters > >On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Michael Snow wrote: > >> On 8/11/2011 7:08 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: >> > Anyway, thanks

Re: [Foundation-l] disconnected

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 1:27 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > I was really surprised this morning by the fact that during the recent > days internal-l has beaten foundation-l by activity; which means that > I didn't have enough time to read everything. > > Because of that, I would appreciate (as many oth

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Michael Snow wrote: > On 8/11/2011 7:08 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > > Anyway, thanks for raising the importance of decentralization. The > > Board agrees: there's a reason it was first in our list of principles. > > To my mind "decentralization is important" raises

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

On 12 August 2011 13:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > My point is that making it easy to fork does not create good competitors. > Good competitors come from elsewhere. And they will come, if we do not > deploy WISIWIG, not lower the entrance barrier for novices, not make it > harder to troll out

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:32:43 +0100, David Gerard wrote: > On 12 August 2011 13:07, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > >> I do agree that the monopoly, at least in this case, is a bad thing, but >> I >> do not see why stimulating creation of the forks would be the best way to >> create competition. As

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

On 12 August 2011 13:07, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > I do agree that the monopoly, at least in this case, is a bad thing, but I > do not see why stimulating creation of the forks would be the best way to > create competition. As far as I am concerned, the only real competition to > us comes from

Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:55:47 +0100, David Gerard wrote: > [posted to foundation-l and wikitech-l, thread fork of a discussion > elsewhere] > > > THESIS: Our inadvertent monopoly is *bad*. We need to make it easy to > fork the projects, so as to preserve them. > > This is the single point of fai

[Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

[posted to foundation-l and wikitech-l, thread fork of a discussion elsewhere] THESIS: Our inadvertent monopoly is *bad*. We need to make it easy to fork the projects, so as to preserve them. This is the single point of failure problem. The reasons for it having happened are obvious, but it's st

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 89, Issue 30

I think the nub of this debate is between those who see decentralisation as inherently inefficient as in Phoebe's comment /"decentralization is important" raises a whole bunch of other important questions: is decentralization more important than efficiency as a working principle?" And those of us

Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey

The term "test wikis" has been agreed by some of the community to be ambiguous in the sense that it attracts comparison between test.wikipedia.org and the incubating wikis in the Wikimedia Incubator. We already had a list of names we can use, but is awaiting consensus and would be changed in th