Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-08-27 Thread Ray Saintonge
I'm happy to hear this. As a member of the Chapters Committee, I look forward to being helpful. Ray On 08/27/11 5:29 PM, CasteloBranco wrote: > The letter was written collaboratively and announced in IRC, village > pump, mailing list, facebook, twitter, ... so i think it does represent > the vi

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-08-27 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 2:29 AM, CasteloBranco wrote: > The letter was written collaboratively and announced in IRC, village > pump, mailing list, facebook, twitter, ... so i think it does represent > the views of all Brazilians who are interested on it. We do know a legal > structure is now essen

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-08-27 Thread CasteloBranco
The letter was written collaboratively and announced in IRC, village pump, mailing list, facebook, twitter, ... so i think it does represent the views of all Brazilians who are interested on it. We do know a legal structure is now essential, and we are developing the legal structure (rewriting

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 August 2011 01:19, Ray Saintonge wrote: > If Sue and Ting are so much at odds, maybe the rest of us should duck. I think it was a misunderstanding on Sue's part, rather than any actual disagreement. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@list

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-27 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 08/27/11 4:34 PM, Delphine Ménard wrote: > On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: >>> If it were only the chapters themselves at stake (as is the case when >>> they raise funds independently), then they could get money first and >>> organization second. But the WMF shares in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-27 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 08/27/11 4:42 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2011/8/28 Delphine Ménard: >> I'm still baffled at the Wikimedia Foundation wanting to go against >> what other international organisations are doing, ie. they fundraise >> locally. > Is that what the WMF wants? I know it's what Sue said the plan was, > b

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-08-27 Thread Ray Saintonge
I find this all very sad. Who are the Brazilian volunteers, and how effectively do they represent the views of those Brazilians who are truly interested in Wikipedia in their country. The simple fact is that an agreement entered into by an ad hoc group binds no-one except the individuals that

[Foundation-l] Missing Wikipedias videos/presentations

2011-08-27 Thread Milos Rancic
I extended my Wikimania talk and, after a lot of technical problems, I've finally managed to create videos from the presentations. I uploaded the first couple of videos. Not all of them are interesting, here are the notes for those who are interested just in the substance: * Missing Wikipedias 1/7

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-27 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Lodewijk wrote: >> Hi Jimmy, >> >> There are several side effects to the idea of not allowing chapters at all >> to fundraise (I note that boardmembers and staff members have a different >> take on this, so I'll ke

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
2011/8/28 Delphine Ménard : > I'm still baffled at the Wikimedia Foundation wanting to go against > what other international organisations are doing, ie. they fundraise > locally. Is that what the WMF wants? I know it's what Sue said the plan was, but then Ting clarified that no such decision had

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-27 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > If the question is one of "minimum standards of accountability" the > WMF's first obligation would be to publish the standards which it > requires, presumably consistent with IFRS. Chapters incorporated within > particular jurisdictions wil

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-27 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 08/26/11 2:26 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Lodewijk wrote: >> Hi Jimmy, >> >> There are several side effects to the idea of not allowing chapters at all >> to fundraise (I note that boardmembers and staff members have a different >> take on this, so I'll keep it general

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

2011-08-27 Thread Andrew Gray
On 26 August 2011 12:35, Kim Bruning wrote: >> This implies that the proposed image hiding feature is a less repressive >> form of censorship. I do not see the proposed feature as censorship - all >> the images remain on the site. Nothing is removed. Nothing is suppressed. >> Everything remains.

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

2011-08-27 Thread Andrew Gray
On 26 August 2011 02:15, David Goodman wrote: > make it plainer, that people who find   Wikipedia articles appropriate > for advocating their religious beliefs may use the content for that > purpose, to that the WMF should find some universally acceptable sets > of spiritual beliefs, and use its

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

2011-08-27 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 1:20 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 27 August 2011 09:04,   wrote: >> On Aug 26, 2011 11:12am, David Gerard wrote: >>> On 26 August 2011 16:06, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > This labeling is proposed to be done on the basis not of the regular >>> > commons

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-08-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 27 August 2011 20:52, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > Ah, ok this is a recent thing then. Not really. It's mentioned on page 9 of the strategic plan: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/WMF_StrategicPlan2011_spreads.pdf The mention in the July report is just saying that things have sta

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-08-27 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Ah, ok this is a recent thing then. Dan Rosenthal On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 10:49 PM, CasteloBranco < michelcastelobra...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, Dan > > It was announced in WMF July Report [1] (last point in the "Brazil > Catalyst" section). > > [1] > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-08-27 Thread CasteloBranco
Yes, Dan It was announced in WMF July Report [1] (last point in the "Brazil Catalyst" section). [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Report,_July_2011#Brazil_Catalyst Castelo [[:m:User:Castelobranco]] Wikimedia Brasil Em 27/08/2011 16:20, Dan Rosenthal escreveu: > Uh did I

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-08-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 27 August 2011 20:20, Dan Rosenthal wrote: > Uh did I miss something? > >  2. Wikimedia Foundation will set up an office in Brazil in order to >   stimulate the development of projects to increase the penetration of >   Wikipedia in Brazil. This process was already launched with the >   search

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-08-27 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Uh did I miss something? 2. Wikimedia Foundation will set up an office in Brazil in order to stimulate the development of projects to increase the penetration of Wikipedia in Brazil. This process was already launched with the search for locations, hiring lawyers and the search for a p

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-08-27 Thread CasteloBranco
For your information The Brazilian community is offering WMF a letter of agreement, which was collaboratively written. After the Brazilian participants shared their experience on what happened in Haifa, the whole community had one week to discuss and edit the content, which is now available on

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-27 Thread Florence Devouard
> 2011/8/11 Jimmy Wales > >> On 8/10/11 8:51 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: >>> I don't think chapters are being cut off I think they are being >>> centralized. Centralization, not lack of funding, is what I believe >>> will make chapters ineffective. >> >> Chapters are not being centralized. I

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

2011-08-27 Thread Philippe Beaudette
It is absolutely not part of the resolution, nor is it in the design plans that I've seen. My understanding is that it works like current categorization, in that anyone can participate. pb ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

2011-08-27 Thread David Gerard
On 27 August 2011 09:04, wrote: > On Aug 26, 2011 11:12am, David Gerard wrote: >> On 26 August 2011 16:06, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > This labeling is proposed to be done on the basis not of the regular >> > commons categories, but of special ones designed for the purpose; not

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

2011-08-27 Thread DGGenwp
I am not sure if your wording implies that I am being excessively negative or skeptical. But yes, I very definitely think it should be resisted at every stage of implementation. What else can we do, if the people who should be providing services to us, try to run things for us. the community