2011/8/28 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
If the question is one of minimum standards of accountability the
WMF's first obligation would be to publish the standards which it
requires, presumably consistent with
2011/8/24 Kirill Lokshin kirill.loks...@gmail.com:
Stop this thread at once! It's gotten entirely too silly!
Maybe, but it does not walk. So that bars it from any kind of claim on
tax return from the [[Ministry of Silly Walks]].
Delphine
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Has it been worked out how many chapters will be affected by this
change? Of those that will be excluded this year (if any decisions on
that have been made or are anticipated), how many can expect to meet
the requirements for participation next year? Figuring this out may
have been part of the
On 28 August 2011 04:47, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/8/28 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net
wrote:
If the question is one of minimum standards of accountability the
WMF's first obligation
On 28.08.2011 16:46, Risker wrote:
On 28 August 2011 04:47, rupert THURNERrupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/8/28 Delphine Ménardnotafi...@gmail.com:
+1.
in switzerland we feel that a good target is to get 1 CHF per user and
year as donation. not having a better means of calculating the
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 16:46, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 August 2011 04:47, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/8/28 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:53 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net
wrote:
If the question is one of
Hi Risker
I would like to ask your opinion on WMF's stewardship of the money. The
Foundation has fulfilled its legal obligation as a non-profit but as a
community member from english wikipedia, do you feel it has been accountable
to you or spent it on worthwhile activities for the community? the
On 28 August 2011 14:40, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Has it been worked out how many chapters will be affected by this
change?
All except WMDE.
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On 28 August 2011 18:07, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 August 2011 14:40, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Has it been worked out how many chapters will be affected by this
change?
All except WMDE.
That depends on what you mean by affected, really. I don't think it
will be
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
See now, this is the kind of thinking that raises a lot of questions about
chapters receiving the very large amounts of money that many got the last
time around. In the real world, charities determine what their objectives
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:40:24PM +0100, Andrew Gray wrote:
On 26 August 2011 12:35, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
This implies that the proposed image hiding feature is a less repressive
form of censorship. I do not see the proposed feature as censorship - all
the images
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 10:19:45PM +0100, Andrew Gray wrote:
On 26 August 2011 02:15, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com wrote:
make it plainer, that people who find ? Wikipedia articles appropriate
for advocating their religious beliefs may use the content for that
purpose, to that the WMF
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Risker
I would like to ask your opinion on WMF's stewardship of the money. The
Foundation has fulfilled its legal obligation as a non-profit but as a
community member from english wikipedia, do you feel it has been
On 28.08.2011 21:00, Nathan wrote:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Ilario Valdellivalde...@gmail.com wrote:
This is incorrect because to receive tax exemption a person doesn't need
to have a receipt.
At least for Switzerland the donor can only indicate to have donate an
amount to one
On 28.08.2011 21:00, Nathan wrote:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Ilario Valdellivalde...@gmail.com wrote:
This is incorrect because to receive tax exemption a person doesn't need
to have a receipt.
At least for Switzerland the donor can only indicate to have donate an
amount to one
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Risker
I would like to ask your opinion on WMF's stewardship of the money. The
Foundation has fulfilled its legal obligation as a non-profit but as a
*That depends on what you mean by affected, really. I don't think it
will be just WMDE participating in the fundraiser. The WMF has said that it
intends to abide by existing agreements, which several chapters had signed
before Wikimania.
*
AFAIK, yes. Only WMDE will run fundraising. All
2011/8/28 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
See now, this is the kind of thinking that raises a lot of questions
about
chapters receiving the very large amounts of money that many got the last
time around. In the real
On 08/28/11 12:17 PM, Nathan wrote:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Theo10011de10...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Risker
I would like to ask your opinion on WMF's stewardship of the money. The
Foundation has fulfilled its legal obligation as a non-profit but as a
community member from english
Theo writes:
Second, it might be some form of elitist outlook if you think accountability
standards for US Non-profits are more transparent and fiscally responsible
than say somewhere in EU like Germany, France or the Switzerland. I assure
you, they are existent, not-minimal and more
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 1:21 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
Bearing that in mind, one of the concerns that came to my mind even then was
that many of them did not make it explicitly clear that XX percent of the
donation was going to and independent local chapter. There was also a
It was interesting to hear from Switzerland, here in the UK things are very
different. One difference between the UK model and the US/Swiss model is
that the tax largely accrues to the charity not to the donor. Another
feature of UK charity giving is that it is heavily skewed towards legacies,
On 28 August 2011 21:56, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:
*That depends on what you mean by affected, really. I don't think it
will be just WMDE participating in the fundraiser. The WMF has said that it
intends to abide by existing agreements, which several chapters had signed
before
On 28.08.2011 23:47, Mike Godwin wrote:
Theo writes:
Second, it might be some form of elitist outlook if you think accountability
standards for US Non-profits are more transparent and fiscally responsible
than say somewhere in EU like Germany, France or the Switzerland. I assure
you, they
Several points in reply to Theo:
1) You don't need to argue the value of having chapters around the world. No
one debating that. It's accepted that effective global outreach requires
effective local partners, and that local chapters are the way to achieve the
best results. I think its generally
On 29 August 2011 00:29, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Which other criteria are so onerous that folks are reacting
like the letter indicts the entire system of chapters?
Because that's its effect: The entire system of chapters, except
WMDE, is hereby recentralised. Thanks for your hard
On 08/28/11 2:47 PM, Mike Godwin wrote:
Theo writes:
Second, it might be some form of elitist outlook if you think accountability
standards for US Non-profits are more transparent and fiscally responsible
than say somewhere in EU like Germany, France or the Switzerland. I assure
you, they are
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 7:34 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 August 2011 00:29, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Which other criteria are so onerous that folks are reacting
like the letter indicts the entire system of chapters?
Because that's its effect: The entire system
Hi Mike
I was merely pointing out from what I have seen from some of the other EU
chapters. I know as Non-profits they are obligated to comply with local
restrictions, whether those restriction are lax or stringent in comparison
is a matter of opinion but they do exist, is my point. I believe the
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mike
I was merely pointing out from what I have seen from some of the other EU
chapters. I know as Non-profits they are obligated to comply with local
restrictions, whether those restriction are lax or stringent in
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.comwrote:
On 8/29/11 1:45 AM, Nathan wrote:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 7:34 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 August 2011 00:29, Nathannawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Which other criteria are so onerous that folks
In line replies to Nathan.
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Several points in reply to Theo:
1) You don't need to argue the value of having chapters around the world.
No
one debating that. It's accepted that effective global outreach requires
effective local
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mike
I was merely pointing out from what I have seen from some of the other EU
chapters. I know as Non-profits they are obligated to comply with local
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
If the WMF plans for grants to be the interim method of funding for
developing chapters (aside from that raised independently by the chapters
themselves) then I expect that they will tweak the process to account for
the specific
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mike
I was merely pointing out from what I have seen from some of the other EU
chapters. I know as Non-profits they are obligated to comply with local
Few last points before I duck out of this conversation for awhile...
There are international accounting standards (see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Accounting_Standards_Board). It's
not necessary that all organizations follow them to the letter, obviously,
because not all nations
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 11:15 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
You're strawman is alive.
If the chapters are funded by the WMF, non-US chapters need to abide by US
law.
If all of the fundraising money goes to the WMF, who then distributes
it to chapters via grants, all chapters
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Which activities are these?
Copyright and internet law lobbying.
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On 8/28/2011 9:00 PM, Victor Vasiliev wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Nathannawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Which activities are these?
Copyright and internet law lobbying.
This is incorrect. The foundation can engage in lobbying under US
regulations if it wishes. Restrictions on lobbying by
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote:
On 8/28/2011 9:00 PM, Victor Vasiliev wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Nathannawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Which activities are these?
Copyright and internet law lobbying.
This is incorrect.
Michael,
Have you
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