Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: > > > > 1) WikiLove has been enabled on Swedish, Malayalam, Hungarian, Hebrew, > > Arabic, and Hindi Wikipedia, as well as Commons, all on request of the > > respective project communities. > > > > > Uh oh - criticism time... > > WikiLove was

Re: [Foundation-l] Forkability, its problems and our problems

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > Another problem is that forking of a large Wikipedia edition has > proven to be extremely difficult, regardless of the availability of > image dumps, so the threat is very weak. The Chinese experience should > tell us how hard it is: Baidu Ba

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Phil Nash wrote: > Sue Gardner wrote: >> On 12 September 2011 18:15, geni wrote: >>> On 12 September 2011 23:45, Samuel Klein wrote: Now: what do we need to do to make Wikinews better and more useful? What are the costs and technical or other work invol

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

2011/9/13 John Vandenberg > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Fae wrote: > > On 13 September 2011 18:23, M. Williamson wrote: > >> Are you kidding? Pictures of mummies, a cup with a depiction of two guys > >> doing it that can only be noticed if you look really closely, and what > is > >> suppo

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Fae wrote: > On 13 September 2011 18:23, M. Williamson wrote: >> Are you kidding? Pictures of mummies, a cup with a depiction of two guys >> doing it that can only be noticed if you look really closely, and what is >> supposed to be a depiction of intercourse but

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

I guess it was time for a bold move. ~K On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Tempodivalse wrote: >  On 12 September 2011 21:02, David Gerard wrote: > >> Any comment from the Wikinews contributors who just posted to >> foundation-l saying everything was fine and people saying it wasn't >> were clue

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 90, Issue 76

Wikimedia Canada's Scholarship is now open for applications. http://wikimedia.ca/wiki/Scholarship_application Have created some posters to advertise it. Please post at your local Canadian University or College. Will be gathering data on how successful this pilot project is. If we have a good respon

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> Wiktionary is useful; perhaps you're referring to my comments, which were >> not about Wiktionary at all. Wikiquote definitely does not belong as a >> sister project. Maybe it is a "shining beacon" in the cesspool of >> internet >> quote site

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

2011/9/13 M. Williamson : > Are you kidding? Pictures of mummies, a cup with a depiction of two guys > doing it that can only be noticed if you look really closely, and what is > supposed to be a depiction of intercourse but actually looks more like a > piece of stale bread? Wow. +1 I really hope

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

> Wiktionary is useful; perhaps you're referring to my comments, which were > not about Wiktionary at all. Wikiquote definitely does not belong as a > sister project. Maybe it is a "shining beacon" in the cesspool of > internet > quote sites; well, there are lots of things the rest of the Internet

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

On 13 September 2011 18:23, M. Williamson wrote: > Are you kidding? Pictures of mummies, a cup with a depiction of two guys > doing it that can only be noticed if you look really closely, and what is > supposed to be a depiction of intercourse but actually looks more like a > piece of stale bread?

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

Wiktionary is useful; perhaps you're referring to my comments, which were not about Wiktionary at all. Wikiquote definitely does not belong as a sister project. Maybe it is a "shining beacon" in the cesspool of internet quote sites; well, there are lots of things the rest of the Internet does poorl

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

Are you kidding? Pictures of mummies, a cup with a depiction of two guys doing it that can only be noticed if you look really closely, and what is supposed to be a depiction of intercourse but actually looks more like a piece of stale bread? Wow. 2011/9/13 Fae > > Are there are pages on English

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

Hi all, reading this thread with much interest. Lots of ideas on this, in bullet points: - As a journalism professor, I've followed (and debated) Wikinews since its very start. I say this not to claim authority, but simply to say it has been something I've pondered continually for six years now. S

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

> In the discussion of the Wikinews fork (may they thrive), I picked up > some comments predicting the death of Wiktionary and Wikiquote, > referring to the low numbers of regular contributors. > > I don't think that means the projects are dying: I'm an infrequent > contributor to both of those pro

[Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Autoconfirmed article creation trial

It may seem a big goal, but perhaps en:wp can emulate the success of en:wn. Will we achieve the best-practice level of seven layers of review? We can but hope. - d. -- Forwarded message -- From: Chad Date: 13 September 2011 17:18 Subject: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Autoconfirmed articl

[Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

On 12 September 2011 21:02, David Gerard wrote: > Any comment from the Wikinews contributors who just posted to > foundation-l saying everything was fine and people saying it wasn't > were clueless? Several Wikinews regulars have made comments about the fork on wikinews-l, if anyone wants t

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

Zitat von Theo10011 : > I don't quiet agree with that analysis. You comparison with professional > competitors might have held true in the last age of publishing, the playing > field has been much more leveled. Even the New York Times has a hard time > being competitive in this age, when they can'

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

On 13 September 2011 16:04, John Vandenberg wrote: > Supporting/Investing in the extensions used by OmegaWiki. > http://www.omegawiki.org/Special:Version Including one credited, I see, to "Alan Smithee" ... - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list founda

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:46 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2011/9/13 David Richfield : > >>> It's possible. The interface part is even quite easy. >>> The hard part is defining a data model to contain all the words in all >>> languages, with definitions in all languages, with morphology tables, >>> e

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

> > And it's hard to gain authors if you have no readers because the texts > > will only be of interest for a few days. If you write a news article > > and noone reads it you have wasted your time. On Wikipedia however, if > > you write an article you can rest assured that people will read your > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

I prefer WMF caring about the currently hosted sister projects, instead of adding more. 2011/9/13 David Gerard > 2011/9/13 David Richfield : > > >> It's possible. The interface part is even quite easy. > >> The hard part is defining a data model to contain all the words in all > >> languages, wi

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011/9/13 David Richfield : >> It's possible. The interface part is even quite easy. >> The hard part is defining a data model to contain all the words in all >> languages, with definitions in all languages, with morphology tables, >> etc. Something like this is slowly being done at www.omegawiki.

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

> It's possible. The interface part is even quite easy. > > The hard part is defining a data model to contain all the words in all > languages, with definitions in all languages, with morphology tables, > etc. Something like this is slowly being done at www.omegawiki.org and > there are other proje

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011/9/13 David Richfield : >> I am not a Wictionary contributor but I was never able to understand why >> we have Wictionaries in different language, though a big part of those seem >> to be translations on other languages, and they overlap. Would it not be >> advantageous to have just one Wiction

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

> I am not a Wictionary contributor but I was never able to understand why > we have Wictionaries in different language, though a big part of those seem > to be translations on other languages, and they overlap. Would it not be > advantageous to have just one Wictionary (as we have just one Commons

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome to Wikimedia D.C.

Hi Tomasz, Like Béria states, this is not very unusual. In some jurisdictions, the usage of a trademark in your name is tricky, and sometimes there are other legal reasons to choose a different official name. However, all chapters use Wikimedia XX as their 'trade name' in everyday life. This is so

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome to Wikimedia D.C.

Tomasz, Some chapters use "Wikimedia" as official name, and some don't. Wikimedia UK for example has "*Wiki UK Ltd*" as official name. There are no real problem with that, since the chapter use the "Wikimedia " as working name. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a

[Foundation-l] New project: encycloPDia

There will be a new Wikimedia encyclopedia-computational knowledge engine project called encycloPDia. URL: http://encyclopdia.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/fou

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:55:37 +0200, David Richfield wrote: > In the discussion of the Wikinews fork (may they thrive), I picked up > some comments predicting the death of Wiktionary and Wikiquote, > referring to the low numbers of regular contributors. > > I don't think that means the projects ar

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome to Wikimedia D.C.

Errrm.. this is an official approval of the organisation called "Wiki Society of Washington, DC Inc." or I miss something? From a *very* formal point of view, the Board has just recognised a non-existing organisation, as there is no single mention of the name "Wikimedia" in the bylaws of "Wiki Soc

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011/9/13 David Richfield : > I don't think that means the projects are dying: I'm an infrequent > contributor to both of those projects, and every time I go there, > they're better. Absolutely true. In the last year or so i've been using English, Dutch, French, Spanish, Polish, Czech, Lithunian a

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

I'm no expert here, but it seems to me that Wikinews were born with wrong premises. I discussed extensfully about that with some fellow wikipedians, and we agreed that Wikinews could not compete with other newspapers/journals, especially because, right now, it relies on them. Wikipedia creates kno

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Am 13. September 2011 13:34 schrieb Theo10011 : > > > > > > The biggest strength that a Wikinews like project can always have, is the > > most diverse contributor base anywhere. We have contributors from so many > > countries, they all know how t

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011/9/13 David Richfield : > As for Wikiquote being one of our less useful projects, that's > possibly true, but only because the other projects are so awesome! > The web is awash with crap quotation websites of with the same > misattributed quotes being incestuously copied around - Wikiquote is

[Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

In the discussion of the Wikinews fork (may they thrive), I picked up some comments predicting the death of Wiktionary and Wikiquote, referring to the low numbers of regular contributors. I don't think that means the projects are dying: I'm an infrequent contributor to both of those projects, and

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:34, Theo10011 wrote: > The biggest strength that a Wikinews like project can always have, is the > most diverse contributor base anywhere. We have contributors from so many > countries, they all know how to contribute, they speak a hundred languages > and have access to

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

Am 13. September 2011 13:34 schrieb Theo10011 : > > The biggest strength that a Wikinews like project can always have, is the > most diverse contributor base anywhere. We have contributors from so many > countries, they all know how to contribute, they speak a hundred languages > and have access

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)

Yes, there is (thanks Béria for linking) - however I think I speak for many on that list that it would be appreciated if you can hold off the more general 2012 discussions until October :) Just to state the obvious. Best regards, Lodewijk Am 13. September 2011 12:28 schrieb Béria Lima : > https

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome to Wikimedia D.C.

Congratulations and welcome to Wikimedia District of Columbia, the 36th Wikimedia chapter and 2nd chapter to be formed in the U.S.: Board resolution approving the chapter: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_District_of_Columbia For more information about the ch

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:24, wrote: > It's my opinion, that Wikimedia should try to support a Wikinews by > paying a editor in chief and a core team of reporters to secure that > the project always stays above the critical mass. That's a kind of heresy. But it's impossible to drive [relevant]

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:37 PM, emijrp wrote: > I agree with this analysis. > > 2011/9/13 > > > English Wikinews is in a market with many, many professional > > competitors. Competitors with a paid staff that steadily create > > reliable news output quick and in most cases _for free_. While goo

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

On 13 September 2011 00:04, MZMcBride wrote: > Wikimedia indisputably now exists to serve the English Wikipedia. Wikimedia > is quick to call Sue "Wikipedia Executive Director," isn't it? Or plaster > "Wikipedia founder" on every fundraiser-related publication? Out of the last > X extensions enabl

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

It isn't entirely clear from the posts on this list whether this is a fork of half the community of WikiNews or half of EN Wikinews. Looking at the OpenGlobe site I get the impression it is the latter. Clearly there is a difference in impact between the two, and it would be good to hear from those

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

I agree with this analysis. 2011/9/13 > English Wikinews is in a market with many, many professional > competitors. Competitors with a paid staff that steadily create > reliable news output quick and in most cases _for free_. While good > encyclopedias were still sold for thousands of dollars in

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

MZMcBride, 13/09/2011 00:24: > Wikimedia has made its decision and the community has largely sat quiet on > the issue. Rectius: the Wikimedia Foundation (as you say below). Other Wikimedia people, groups and organizations don't think so and are even accused not to have the "legitimacy" (!) to in

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

M. Williamson, 13/09/2011 00:13: > English Wikiquote, which I've always considered to be one of our most > pointless and least useful projects, has a total of 5 users who make more > than 100 edits a month. This is a project in English, our highest-traffic > language, that has been open since 2003.

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

Erik Moeller, 13/09/2011 03:55: > That's of course a risky project and it may not live up to our > expectations. But it's IMO a smarter bet to make than just picking > (with an unavoidable element of arbitrariness) one of the many > specialized areas in which we currently aren't succeeding and thro

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Controversial_content > > However, the editor community could sabotage it in various ways. For > example, there's no guarantee that anyone will tag any images, or that > tagged images won't be un

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)

On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:39:52 +0300, Strainu wrote: > Hi Naoko, > > Thanks for your pointers. What I'm seeing this year is that in order > to go global, we'll probably need around 10 people to coordinate the > event (I'm thinking that this year there were only 2 people involved > in all the steps

[Foundation-l] On Wikinews

English Wikinews is in a market with many, many professional competitors. Competitors with a paid staff that steadily create reliable news output quick and in most cases _for free_. While good encyclopedias were still sold for thousands of dollars in 2001, news were already available for fr

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

> Are there are pages on English Wikipedia that should be classified as PG? Good candidates that I have had a hand in improving are: # [[Gebelein predynastic mummies]] - surely gruesome close-ups of naked dead bodies are PG? # [[Warren Cup]] - explicit depiction of under-age homosexual anal sex in

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Stephen Bain wrote: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:24 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: >> >> Are there any encyclopedia which have been >> classified/banned/bowlderised by any country in the last 50 years? >> >> If Wikipedia is a quality encyclopedia, most rating agencies wo

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 07:39, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > Milos, you state that Americans see everything involving nudity under the > label as porn and offensive, and filtering with that mindset is a bad idea. >  You're correct about Americans acting that way in general. Just a short note: No, I d

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)

Agreed with Lodewijk, and thanks for your clarification On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Hi, > > just a few clarifications: > > I totally agree with Naoko of course. However, for me the main goal is not > even just the photos itself, but the reach it gives us to involve more > p

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)

Hi Naoko, Thanks for your pointers. What I'm seeing this year is that in order to go global, we'll probably need around 10 people to coordinate the event (I'm thinking that this year there were only 2 people involved in all the steps and a few more that helped in different areas). This means that

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)

Hello there, Japan has a such (thanks Yaroslave for your concern) and iirc Taiwan has too. Perhaps other countries. If people are ambition enough to spread coordination efforts to the large international orgs, I'd point out not only UNESCO but also International Society of Aesthetics would be a g

Re: [Foundation-l] The Wikinews fork: updates

Sounds like a solid reason to fork and looks like the start of a promising project -- I hope you guys have the best of luck. Dan > To be clear, OpenGlobe was not created due to a dispute with the > Foundation. > The main reason for forking was the perceived hostility and rudeness among > Wikine

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

> > 1) WikiLove has been enabled on Swedish, Malayalam, Hungarian, Hebrew, > Arabic, and Hindi Wikipedia, as well as Commons, all on request of the > respective project communities. > > Uh oh - criticism time... WikiLove was developed supposedly to address one of the major problems of English Wiki