Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > > Might be nice to wait with enwiki implementation too until we have > something that we know will not have Evil Repercussions. > > Else we end up forking enwiki, if my spidey^Wwiki senses don't > betray me. O:-) > Definitely. I will personal

Re: [Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)

On 09/16/11 12:38 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, emijrp wrote: >> I think that the phrase meaning refered to Wikipedia is "the sum of all >> human knowledge which is notable and encyclopedic". >> >> Not ALL, ALL, ALL human knowledge. MySpace discarded. > When you look

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 21:38, Ray Saintonge wrote: > I don't see a big money issue for Wiktionary either. It's not about big money, it's about money necessary for a project to live. Targeting articles in medicine is quite good, as they are necessary and not covered as well as, for example, astr

Re: [Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)

On 17 Sep 2011, at 09:41, Ray Saintonge wrote: > On 09/16/11 12:38 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:01 PM, emijrp wrote: >>> I think that the phrase meaning refered to Wikipedia is "the sum of all >>> human knowledge which is notable and encyclopedic". >>> >>> Not ALL, ALL,

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On 17 September 2011 09:17, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Just to be clear, I might not join a hypothetical fork myself as an editor, > but I feel the ability to fork is so precious a boon for projects like us, > that > it would be worth it to bankroll one purely on the principle of the thing.

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM, David Gerard wrote: > ... > We need people to try the technical basics of a fork, i.e. taking an > en:wp dump, an images dump, .. Is there an images dump? -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On 17 September 2011 10:16, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> We need people to try the technical basics of a fork, i.e. taking an >> en:wp dump, an images dump, .. > Is there an images dump? If there isn't, there should be. (I'm now trying to w

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:23, David Gerard wrote: > (I'm now trying to work out how to get the images without using up all > my bandwidth allowances ever.) Something like: rsync -av --bwlimit=50 (if you want to give ~5Mbps; number is in KiBps) ___ fou

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)

On 09/12/11 10:05 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:04, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: >> Also, if there was no group let us give a random example - in Macedonia - >> who wanted to organize the contest, still it would be a good idea to open a >> category for WLM in Macedonia, just t

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

I am sorry but how is renaming ku.wikipedia to kmr.wikipedia a "Turkish Nationalistic View"? Have you even read the proposal before assuming bad faith? Do you understand how little the proposal intends to change? - The interwiki link for Sorani wikipedia is "کوردی" which means "Kurdi" or K

[Foundation-l] Technical aspects of forking (was: 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter)

2011/9/17 David Gerard : > On 17 September 2011 10:16, John Vandenberg wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM, David Gerard wrote: > >>> We need people to try the technical basics of a fork, i.e. taking an >>> en:wp dump, an images dump, .. > >> Is there an images dump? > > > If there isn't, t

Re: [Foundation-l] Technical aspects of forking (was: 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter)

> the foundation's "secret sauce", i.e. the configuration > files that are not made public, if such thing exists. Then would come > the whole traffic balancing/caching/optimization settings, which would > greatly depend on the actual traffic a fork would have. > > Strainu If you control your own s

[Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter - Gender?

Hi everyone, I can't remember - was user gender a "question" in the survey? I don't remember... Thanks :) -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art and Sar

Re: [Foundation-l] Technical aspects of forking (was: 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter)

Am 17.09.2011 13:51, schrieb Fred Bauder: > However, I'm afraid the "secret sauce" involves interpersonal elements, > including respecting the sensitivities of others on a global basis. Yeah, as the 86% rejection rate in the German-speaking Wikipedia has shown, the WMF board has paid special atte

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter - Gender?

No. You can see all the questions here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/Vote_interface/en _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento human

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter - Gender?

Thanks Beria! :) A shame, it would have been really fascinating to see if there was a gender gap in this matter. -Sarah On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:43 AM, Béria Lima wrote: > No. > > You can see all the questions here: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/Vote_interface/en >

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 00:38, Nathan wrote: > I don't think White_Cat's nomination is purely without ulterior motive, > unfortunately. As some editors from ku.wp have alluded to, the issue of the > name and designation of the "Kurdish Wikipedia" has ethnic and nationalist > ramifications on both

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

David Gerard wrote: > On 17 September 2011 10:16, John Vandenberg wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM, David Gerard wrote: > >>> We need people to try the technical basics of a fork, i.e. taking an >>> en:wp dump, an images dump, .. > >> Is there an images dump? > > If there isn't, there

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On 17 September 2011 15:06, MZMcBride wrote: > David Gerard wrote: >> On 17 September 2011 10:16, John Vandenberg wrote: >>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM, David Gerard wrote: >> We need people to try the technical basics of a fork, i.e. taking an en:wp dump, an images dump, .. >> >>

Re: [Foundation-l] Technical aspects of forking (was: 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter)

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 02:42:08PM +0300, Strainu wrote: > I believe the most difficult part would be to > replicate the foundation's "secret sauce", i.e. the configuration > files that are not made public, if such thing exists. Special:Version has always been good enough for me ;-) > Then woul

Re: [Foundation-l] Technical aspects of forking (was: 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter)

On 17 September 2011 15:50, Kim Bruning wrote: > My first instincts for de.wikipedia would be to note down > de.wikipedia's usage statistics, get a bunch of techies together, and > all go have a nice chat with say hetzner.de, to figure out roughly what > things will cost. You can always start a b

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 03:35:44PM +0100, Peter Coombe wrote: > > Of course if you're only thinking about forking Wikipedia, rather than > Commons, you can just use InstantCommons [1]. For English Wikipedia > you'd still have a lot of fair use to copy, but German and many other > languages wouldn'

[Foundation-l] Technical aspects of forking (was: 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter)

Sanity in IT terms and practicality in regulatory terms don't always go hand in hand. Transporting an image dump on a hard drive might well be the most practical way to move that much data - though it should be encrypted at least whilst in transit. But forking doesn't sound to me a good reason to d

Re: [Foundation-l] Technical aspects of forking (was: 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter)

> On 17 September 2011 15:50, Kim Bruning wrote: > >> My first instincts for de.wikipedia would be to note down >> de.wikipedia's usage statistics, get a bunch of techies together, and >> all go have a nice chat with say hetzner.de, to figure out roughly what >> things will cost. You can always st

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:49 PM, M. Williamson wrote: > And if I were to ask the community to make it? I would be perfectly willing > to do the same thing. This should not be relevant in Wikimedia. If a > pedophile says "We should put a picture of a naked child on every page of > Wikipedia!", we

Re: [Foundation-l] Technical aspects of forking (was: 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter)

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 05:04:33PM +0100, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Sanity in IT terms and practicality in regulatory terms don't always go hand > in hand. Transporting an image dump on a hard drive might well be the most > practical way to move that much data - though it should be encrypted at >

Re: [Foundation-l] Technical aspects of forking (was: 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter)

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 04:52:46PM +0100, David Gerard wrote: > On 17 September 2011 15:50, Kim Bruning wrote: > > > My first instincts for de.wikipedia would be to note down > > de.wikipedia's usage statistics, get a bunch of techies together, and > > all go have a nice chat with say hetzner.de,

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

Nathan, what about the fact that all the "Kurdish editors" are speakers of Kurmanji? White Cat solicited opinions from the Sorani and Zazaki Wikipedias but nobody from there has commented yet. It should be noted that ku.wp users have a history of reacting angrily to the creation of Wikipedias for K

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 18:35, M. Williamson wrote: > If all Kurdish editors had been in favor of having a "Kurdish Wikipedia" as > an "emblem of their unified ethnic identity", as you claim, then there would > never have been a separate Sorani Wikipedia. That's true. For example, we have just on

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

Azeri/Azerbaijani Wikipedia is a good example of a Wikipedia that is truly available to users in both varieties, 10% of pages on the Wiki are in a different variety and it is also featured prominently on the main page. ku.wp users have been trying to make the case that they are the same, but the co

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcome to Wikimedia D.C.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:01:23AM -0700, phoebe ayers wrote: > Congratulations and welcome to Wikimedia District of Columbia, the > 36th Wikimedia chapter and 2nd chapter to be formed in the U.S.: > > Board resolution approving the chapter: > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recogni

Re: [Foundation-l] Rename proposal of Kurdish wikipedia

az.wikipedia hosts content for both dialects of Azerbaijani language. As long as a wiki is willing to host multiple dialects under a macro-language banner and said dialects are willing to be hosted under that banner there is no problem for us to fix. However, if one of the two az.wiki dialects deci

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter - Gender?

do you propose questions like the following? knowledge level  o a-level o university o... race                    o african   o cacausian o... gender                o female   o male o... main wikipedia    o de  o en o fr ... to see if there are other gaps as well than gender

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter - Gender?

I'm always interested in demographics and culture specifics when it comes to surveys, etc. Just part of the researcher in me I suppose (and four years of studying under an anthropologist mentor). :) Especially surveys that are inciting heavily heated discussions that reflect cultural difference and

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter - Gender?

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > I'm always interested in demographics and culture specifics when it comes to > surveys, etc. We should have a WikiSurveys project. -- Fajro ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikim

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Peter Gervai wrote: > But then you state that WMF will make it compulsory for all projects > to activate the feature? (Citation is welcome, sure, but not > required.) "The feature will be developed for, and implemented on, all projects." http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/en

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

André Engels wrote: > As said before, just get different categories, and let people choose among > them. The priest could then choose to block "full nudity", "female > toplessness", "people in underwear" and "people in swimwear", but not > "images containing naked bellies" or "unveiled women", whe

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:16 PM, David Levy wrote: > > I find it strange that you consider this an objection to a filter. > Surely, > > giving someone an imperfect choice of what they consider objectionable is > > _less_ making a decision for them than judging in advance that nothing is > > obje

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter - Gender?

On 09/17/11 11:08 AM, Fajro wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Sarah Stierch > wrote: >> I'm always interested in demographics and culture specifics when it comes to >> surveys, etc. > We should have a WikiSurveys project. > WikiMonkey??? Ray _

Re: [Foundation-l] Technical aspects of forking (was: 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter)

On 09/17/11 8:52 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 17 September 2011 15:50, Kim Bruning wrote: >> My first instincts for de.wikipedia would be to note down >> de.wikipedia's usage statistics, get a bunch of techies together, and >> all go have a nice chat with say hetzner.de, to figure out roughly what

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

I wrote: > > You're mischaracterizing the status quo.  We haven't determined that > > "nothing is objectionable" to anyone;  we rightly assume that > > _everything_ is potentially objectionable to someone (and refrain from > > favoring certain objections over others). André Engels replied: > The

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

* Andre Engels wrote: >Thereby giving those who have objections nothing just because there are >others who we can't give what they want. If we had the same attitude towards >article creation, we would not have published Wikipedia until we had >articles on all subjects we could think of. They are g

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 4:16 AM, David Levy wrote: > > Tobias Oelgarte described one key problem.  Another lies in the > labeling of some things and not others.  Unless we were to create and > apply a label for literally everything that someone finds > objectionable, we'd be taking the non-neutral

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Am 18.09.2011 02:45, schrieb Stephen Bain: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 4:16 AM, David Levy wrote: >> Tobias Oelgarte described one key problem. Another lies in the >> labeling of some things and not others. Unless we were to create and >> apply a label for literally everything that someone finds >

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:20 AM, David Levy wrote: > I wrote: > >> > You're mischaracterizing the status quo.  We haven't determined that >> > "nothing is objectionable" to anyone;  we rightly assume that >> > _everything_ is potentially objectionable to someone (and refrain from >> > favoring ce

[Foundation-l] Do I miss my bet?

Without seeing the responses to the "referendum", I am betting you have in the comments a huge amount of _committed_ "You are on crack; I will never stand for this." comments, a wide field of wishy washies giving conditionals, and an almost as wide field of supports on the lines of "I wouldn't use

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

Stephen Bain wrote: > NPOV involves determining whether viewpoints are widely held, are held > by substantial or significant minorities, or are held by an extremely > small or vastly limited minority and therefore not suitable to be > covered in articles. This is an editorial decision-making proce

Re: [Foundation-l] Do I miss my bet?

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:04 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Without seeing the responses to the "referendum", I am betting you > have in the comments a huge amount of _committed_ "You are on crack; I > will never stand for this." comments, a wide field of wishy washies > giving conditionals,