Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011-11-04 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 11/03/11 6:27 AM, Fae wrote: On 3 November 2011 12:27, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Backlogs as a concern translate directly to newbies are inherently a problem. I don't get the point being made here, I would have thought that backlogs are a good way to attract new editors into

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011-11-04 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: On 11/03/11 6:27 AM, Fae wrote: On 3 November 2011 12:27, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Backlogs as a concern translate directly to newbies are inherently a problem. I don't get the point being made here, I

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011-11-04 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 11/03/11 5:32 AM, Tom Morris wrote: On Thursday, November 3, 2011, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest that backlogs don't matter nearly as much as involvement and drawing new people in. Backlogs as a concern translate directly to newbies are inherently a problem. I'd

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011-11-04 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 11/03/11 5:59 AM, David Gerard wrote: On 3 November 2011 12:53, Nathannawr...@gmail.com wrote: I wish we didn't always have to dispense with this tired argument that making editing easier will inundate the projects with idiots. Easy and open editing is the ethos that built the whole

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011-11-04 Thread David Richfield
I'd disagree. Newbie treatment is important, but having quarter of a million articles without a single reference is also important given WP:V. It's also valuable to avoid giving undue weight to WP:V. My opinion (and it's just an opinion) is that it's really hard to give undue weight to WP:V.

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011-11-04 Thread David Gerard
2011/11/4 David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com: I'd disagree. Newbie treatment is important, but having quarter of a million articles without a single reference is also important given WP:V. It's also valuable to avoid giving undue weight to WP:V. My opinion (and it's just an opinion)

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011-11-04 Thread David Richfield
My opinion (and it's just an opinion) is that it's really hard to give undue weight to WP:V. WP:V is not equal to verifiability itself. You may have adminitis. I think verifiability carries a lot of weight. WP:V is different from verifiability in various important ways, which have been

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011-11-04 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 11/04/11 12:44 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: On 11/03/11 6:27 AM, Fae wrote: On 3 November 2011 12:27, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Backlogs as a concern translate directly to newbies are inherently a

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011-11-04 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 11/04/11 1:26 AM, David Richfield wrote: My opinion (and it's just an opinion) is that it's really hard to give undue weight to WP:V. WP:V is not equal to verifiability itself. You may have adminitis. I think verifiability carries a lot of weight. WP:V is different from verifiability in

[Foundation-l] Non free copyrights (was Wikipedia ideology)

2011-11-04 Thread WereSpielChequers
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Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Newbie recruitment: referencing

2011-11-04 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On Thursday, November 3, 2011, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Backlogs as a concern translate directly to newbies are inherently a problem. I'd disagree. Newbie treatment is important, but having quarter of a

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-04 Thread Billinghurst
Can I start with my disappointment of those who like to hijack/corrupt the conversation for their pet whinge? This was in no way bagging WP, absolutely not. This was not bagging WMF; this was my concern and frustration that WMF conflates to become Wikipedia, and that the organisation does

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

2011-11-04 Thread Bod Notbod
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: I don't remember if we ever asked, in our general surveys, how and when contributors discovered that they /could/ edit. But perhaps after they've edited it's too late becauser they've already fallen in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

2011-11-04 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
This is completely understandable. I recently looked at a 13-page article in the Bullletin of the Pan American Union for 1933 on Hipólito Unánue. Our stub article shows him as president of Peru in 1825-6. He wasn't. I had to ask myself how much time am I prepared to use for sorting this

[Foundation-l] Why Wikipedia Is as Important As the Pyramids

2011-11-04 Thread Béria Lima
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/11/st_essay_wikipediawonders/ At the Wikimedia Conference in March, a German coalition proposed that Wikipedia become the first digital World Heritage site. A petition was drafted, declaring Wikipedia “a masterpiece of human creative genius.” Unesco was not

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

2011-11-04 Thread Bod Notbod
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Mateus Nobre mateus.no...@live.co.uk wrote: This hostility is being reflected in the drop at the number of the editors.I agree with the ''automatic-message theory''. None likes automatic messages. In my view, it should be reserved for vandals. Newbies needs

[Foundation-l] Update on office hours with Geoff Brigham, WMF General Counsel

2011-11-04 Thread Steven Walling
Hi all, Geoff's inaugural IRC office hours, for discussion his legal strategy for 2011-12, has been moved to December 2nd because he will be traveling with Sue on her Europe trip this month. See: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours -- Steven Walling Community Organizer at

Re: [Foundation-l] Ideas for newbie recruitment

2011-11-04 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
Ray, does the article say he was not the President of the Government Council? I found a link on that and added it to the article, but the reference, how should I put it, does not look to me as an ultimately to most authoritative source. I will search more, but if you have the material at hand