[Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Joan Goma
Hi Jan, It is not a problem of lack of time or lack of communication channels. It is a problem of lack of participation of chapters and fear of change. These proposals have been in meta for months. [1] The answer to many of the questions raised here have been in meta for months. [2] The problem

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Ilario Valdelli
You have not understood the difference between a discussion in Meta and the transformation of this discussion in an operational implementation in the organization. This proposal has a lot of bugs, it seems like a discussion made in front of the coffee machine. Formally your point of view is

[Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Joan Goma
Just to provide some background to my previous mail and left clear that there is not offensive intention. In Spanish the cemetery is a well known metaphor for the difficulties of reforming universities and educational systems. For example in Uruguay:

[Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] Improving outreach efforts in India

2012-02-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
See below for a great presentation of problems in conducting outreach events and wiki workshop by Nitika Tandon. It discusses events in India, but most of it is relevant for the whole world. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com ‪“We're living in

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Béria Lima
Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha? You're after all deciding their lifes or death, can't we at least choose the way we are going to die? _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Jan-bart de Vreede
this would be called: too much drama There is no life and death situation for the chapters here. See my earlier mails for ways of getting to a sustainable organization... Secondly: When faced with a life or death situation, most people try to trick death and stay alive.. most don't repeat: I

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Béria Lima
Jan for the million time: Give me the parameters and we can discuss. I will not put my faith in another great-and-solver-of-all-Wikimedians-problems-but-not-yet-funded Committe. When you have a clear way to choose people for this FDC, a clear way of how it will going to work and most important:

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Jan-bart de Vreede
On 15 feb. 2012, at 18:54, Béria Lima wrote: Jan for the million time: Give me the parameters and we can discuss. I will not put my faith in another great-and-solver-of-all-Wikimedians-problems-but-not-yet-funded Committe. Ok, in that case, just wait until we have all solved this without

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Béria Lima
Jan Provide me a link to work and I will gladly tell on wiki how much your idea sucks and how I come up with a better one without dismiss community opinion and being condescending like you. Here we can't solve anything. _ *Béria Lima **Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha? Awaiting your and others' thoughts on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_affiliation_models#Questions Cheers Bishakha

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Jan-bart de Vreede
On 15 feb. 2012, at 19:07, Béria Lima wrote: Jan Provide me a link to work and I will gladly tell on wiki how much your idea sucks and how I come up with a better one without dismiss community opinion and being condescending like you. Actually that was not condescending (if anything:

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Translations of January 2012 Wikimedia Highlights available in العربية (Arabic), Dansk (Danish), Français (French), Magyar (Hungarian), Italiano ‎(Italian)‎, N

2012-02-15 Thread Tilman Bayer
The following translation are now available for the January 2012 Wikimedia Highlights, which combine some of the most relevant information from the Wikimedia Foundation Report and the Wikimedia engineering report for January 2012 with a selection of other important events from the Wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Craig Franklin
I had wanted to keep out of this, but this is the third or fourth time that Jan-Bart has been referred to as Jan. It was an understandable enough mistake to make the first time, but it's been pointed out enough now that that is no longer an excuse. We do not all have to be best of mates, but it

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Béria Lima
Click in the tab History. You can see I already asked the question I've been questioning you and Jan there. sarcasmIf you can't do find a diff alone,/sarcasm I can help: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_affiliation_modelsdiff=3441324oldid=3441316 _ *Béria Lima*

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Béria Lima
Gomà called him Jan at least 3 times today and no one complained. Everyone in Brazil calls me B (yah, just the first letter) and here is VERY common to shortening people's names. Is more a way to write it fast than to offend anyone. I can call him Mister de Vreede if you all find this ok, but

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Gomà called him Jan at least 3 times today and no one complained. Everyone in Brazil calls me B (yah, just the first letter) and here is VERY common to shortening people's names. Is more a way to write it fast than to

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-15 Thread Abbas Mahmood
Beria, You're behavior is simply unacceptable. Are you going to apologize to Jan-Bart or simply continue with your baseless justifications on why you are calling him this and not that? Abbas. Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:14:55 -0500 From: nawr...@gmail.com To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org