Re: [Foundation-l] Board Resolutions from March 30th 2012

2012-03-30 Thread Theo10011
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Michael Peel wrote: > On voting transparency: this is a great step forward. However, I would > encourage the WMF to take a further step, and to explain why trustees voted > approve/abstain/against. This could potentially be done by (for examples) > adding notes ne

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: New editor engagement experiments team!

2012-03-25 Thread Theo10011
Thanks for this email Birgitte. I greatly enjoyed reading it, it gives insight in not just your own motivation, but mine and several others who I have come to know. I apologize for my following lengthy response as well. This is a well-articulated, reasoned response, that should stand apart from the

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: New editor engagement experiments team!

2012-03-24 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 5:10 AM, wrote: > > > > > On Mar 21, 2012, at 10:07 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > > > birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> On Mar 21, 2012, at 8:53 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > >>> Sue Gardner wrote: > Everybody knows that reversing stagnating/declining participation > in Wik

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: New editor engagement experiments team!

2012-03-23 Thread Theo10011
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 7:36 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > That sounds like a great idea for projects where the readership and/or > editorship is low. On those projects, it is very likely that a reader > with even a tiny interest in editing can be converted to a good > editor, and they are worth

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: New editor engagement experiments team!

2012-03-21 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:35 AM, wrote: > This strikes me as a very oddly articulated concern about a crowd-sourcing > project. The basic premise underlying the whole model is increasing the > quantity of contributors increases the quality of the content. Is this > really disputed? An astute o

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Nathan wrote: > So a group of chapters, reacting against a perceived effort to centralize > the movement, create a brand new central body with an extensive (and > apparently, expensive) bureaucracy? Are there really a lot of people that > think this is a good idea

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-08 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > If you search for "devoirs" (= homework) or "vacances" (= holiday) on > French Wikipedia, you're presented with a porn video in which a man and a > woman engage in sex acts (cunnilingus and fellatio) with a dog. > > > http://fr.wikipedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] My public aplogies to Jan-Bart (was Movement roles letter, Feb 2012)

2012-02-16 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > If we're discussing this; my name is correctly pronounced "Oliver Keyes, > God of Delphi, Sol, and all Ethereal Planes Known and As-Yet Undiscovered" Olly olly oxen free! (with a silent G) Theo _

Re: [Foundation-l] My public aplogies to Jan-Bart (was Movement roles letter, Feb 2012)

2012-02-16 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: > While we're on the topic, here's a public service announcement. It's > Bishakha Datta, not Bishaka Datta. The single most-frequently > misspelled name on our lists, AFAICT. Also, Erik Moeller or Erik > Möller with umlaut. Never Erik Moller wit

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Florence Devouard >wrote: > > > > > One benefit I can identify from this decision is that we could push > > forward that > > * partner organizations are ONLY recognized by Wikimedia Foundation > > * whilst c

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Building a new Legal and Community Advocacy Department & Promotion of Philippe Beaudette

2012-02-09 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > > "Advocacy" is a much more general term in this context than people > > seem to be taking it as. It does not mean lobbying or fighting for > > something controversial with outside organi

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Building a new Legal and Community Advocacy Department & Promotion of Philippe Beaudette

2012-02-09 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Casey Brown wrote: > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > However, the issue of advocacy is not generally agreed upon by the entire > > community. SOPA blackout was the first and official action of its kind, > > before we

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Building a new Legal and Community Advocacy Department & Promotion of Philippe Beaudette

2012-02-09 Thread Theo10011
I'm all for a shift from the community department, and dividing focus between existing community and things like new editor retention. Zack and the community department, primarily focus on fundraising, with only indirect involvement with the existing community affairs through Philippe, Maggie and o

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Building a new Legal and Community Advocacy Department & Promotion of Philippe Beaudette

2012-02-09 Thread Theo10011
I believe Liam puts it very close to how I read the announcement. Does this mean Pb is a Chief now? or will that department still be under community/Zack? Also, how does the relation between legal come into this. Is Geoff also in charge of this department or is legal separate from this? And befo

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Theo10011
s the community elected members are representative of the entire community, beyond just the individuals that voted. The community elected members aren't called, the community-who-voted board members. Regards Theo > > (personal opinion, etc) > > On 1 February 2012 23:17, Theo10011

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Risker wrote: > > The appointed members of the Board are chosen for their specific expertise > and skill-set. The Board does publicly identify the slots it is trying to > fill when looking for appointees, and the qualifications that they > require. > Do you know

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for nominations: chapter-appointed seats on the WMF Board of Trustees

2012-02-01 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Risker wrote: > In what way do chapter-selected seats improve the running of the WMF, > Thomas? The Board has no say in who is being selected, and there is no > basis in fact to say that those appointed by the chapters are any more > effective or helpful in meetin

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for moderators

2012-01-28 Thread Theo10011
Pb, won't it be better to just create the list first? I assume a single owner won't be elected. Moderators can be elected when and if, there is active participation in the list, no? Regards Theo On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > Hi everyone - > > Sue has asked me to

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: "Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa"

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:48 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > If you read I said "according to recent rulings" > > And as far as I can tell, what you claim those recent rulings said, is > not what the recent rulings sa

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: "Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa"

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Anthony wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > >> > Well, that was my point, accordin

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: "Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa"

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Brandon Harris wrote: > >I think that trying to school Mike Godwin on Citizens United and IP > Law is colossally bad idea. But entertaining. > > I agree completely. I love Mike, why on earth would you think I was trying to "school" him? I was talking about

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: "Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa"

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > Well, that was my point, according to recent rulings, money is speech and > > corporations are people > > Really? That's weird. What recent ruling said that? C

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: "Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa"

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Mike Godwin wrote: > > Why do you imagine money spent is the measure of influence? The > pro-SOPA forces outspent the tech industry three-to-one and still > lost. > Citation needed. > > Plus, If money is the measure of effectiveness, what does this say > about

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: "Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa"

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
I find this discussion interesting, although after Sue's clarification, it might be moot. But I am going to continue it, until someone asks to take this off-list. On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:30 AM, Mike Godwin wrote: > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > > D

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: "Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa"

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: > On 22 January 2012 08:30, Kim Bruning wrote: > > Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa > >http://www.politico.com/morningtech/0112/morningtech377.html > > > > Interesting. Any details? > > I thought we had already discuss

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: "Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa"

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
loudest. On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > Theo10011 writes: > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > > Am I wrong to assume, that lobbying involves approaching a registered, > > professional consulting/lobbying firm in Washington

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: "Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa"

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
x27;t that far off either. Regards Theo On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > Mike, I completely understand your point on this and where you are coming > > from. But you made a conflicting point yourself &

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: "Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa"

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
Mike, I completely understand your point on this and where you are coming from. But you made a conflicting point yourself On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: > > > None of this requires that any nonprofit spend the kind of lobbying > dollars that Google spends -- even if that

Re: [Foundation-l] Politico: "Wikimedia foundation hires lobbyists on sopa, pipa"

2012-01-22 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > You trust GOOGLE's interests to align sufficiently with ours, to the > extent that you're willing to cede government affairs to them? Yes. Why won't their interest align on the same side as everyone else ? The issue is just SOPA and P

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] proposed tech conference anti-harassment policy

2012-01-21 Thread Theo10011
Actually, what is WMF technical events specifically? It would be helpful to mention what those are. Would this bleed over to Wikimania? That is the largest conference WMF organizes. It is a bit unclear about the scope. It states that it applies to "Foundation-organized activities" and then "Wikime

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2012-01-03 Thread Theo10011
Hi Thomas I really dont On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > > > There were numerous non-Jimmy banners used during the fundraiser because > they were tested and proved to work well. The Jimmy banners were used > extensively too because they still perform very well in the tests,

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2012-01-03 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 3 January 2012 22:36, Theo10011 wrote: > > WMF started the email campaign last year for the first time I'm assuming, > > we used it this year as well. We had a period of several months before > the > > fund

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2012-01-03 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:34 AM, Domas Mituzas > wrote: > > This year pictures at top left, blinking banners, etc - are becoming a > norm. > > This is simply untrue hyperbole. The fader was used in the same way as > last year, at the same time

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Theo10011
ternating message banners work really well on the last couple days > because there are two different very effective messages in those days. But > we're always looking for a better way, so maybe next year we won't have to > do alternating messages at all. > > Zack > > On

Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.

2011-12-31 Thread Theo10011
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > 2011/12/31 geni : > > We appear to have actual blinking ads. Unfortunate. Still I suppose > > the occasion should be marked. > > They are not blinking in a manner that is even remotely obnoxious. And > they a

Re: [Foundation-l] Is a research banner "advertising" of the evil sort?

2011-12-09 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Nathan wrote: > Perhaps, although I hardly think that was part of the nefarious plan > on the part of Harvard and SciPo. They are both among the institutions > in the world with the best and most positive name penetration; the > connection benefits Wikipedia as muc

Re: [Foundation-l] Article Feedback Tool office hours - 2nd December, 19:00 UTC

2011-11-29 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > Hey guys! > > Another AFT session - this one will be in #wikimedia-office on 2 December, > at 19:00 UTC. If you're vaguely interested in playing around with > prototypes, you should attend - we'll have a lot of cool stuff to poke at > (and t

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-29 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 08:09, Möller, Carsten wrote: > > No, we need to harden the wall agaist all attacks by hammers, > screwdrivers and drills. > > We have consensus: Wikipedia should not be censored. > > > > You hold strong on that princip

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-28 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:26 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Liam Wyatt wrote: > > Perhaps we could focus on those practical points - preferably on-wiki - > > rather than having endless debates about what different people did/didn't > > mean to say or getting into abstract ideological discussions. > > Buz

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2013 - Request for Bids and Jury nominations

2011-11-23 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: > Hi All, > > Disclaimer: this is my personal opinion, and in no way represents any > sentiments of the board. > > That being said > > In the past years I have seen a lot of people spend a lot of time on > different bids which never made

Re: [Foundation-l] MENA Education Program?

2011-11-16 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Barry Newstead >wrote: > > > Hi Katie, > > Just to build on Moushira's response to tackle your questions a bit > > further. > > > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 5:26 AM, aude wrote: > > > > > Erik, Sue, Frank,

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-15 Thread Theo10011
I read Brion's email. It really worked, I discarded the first draft I wrote in response, with the same tone and some links to grant pages and something about conflict of interest, I was completely prepared to entrench. I came back and re-read but didn't infer anything in Tinu's email to be in the s

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-14 Thread Theo10011
I was not going to comment on this thread again. I am kind of annoyed by what you are painting me as, but I'll try and remain objective. First, what mail are you disagreeing with? The last mail I sent on this thread is 3 days old, the last topic was Achal. I didn't talk about Hisham directly on an

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Theo10011
Nov 12, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Achal Prabhala wrote: > Hi Theo, I find your tone needlessly rude - do you really think this is the > best way to communicate? > > It makes it very difficult to have a useful conversation. > > Best wishes, > Achal > > On 11 November 2011 18:07,

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Theo10011
more than welcome to bring any of this up on Internal-l however, I would be happy to go into much more detail for your elucidation. On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Achal Prabhala wrote: > Hi Theo > > On 11 November 2011 14:10, Theo10011 wrote: > > > Ohai Achal > > > &

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Theo10011
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Barry Newstead wrote: > > More directly to your questions...the Trust is an independent org, so > technically it cannot serve as an "internal" processor for WMF. > I meant "internal" as in within the country, as opposed to external, when Hisham's email said "exte

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Theo10011
Ohai Achal As usual, I disagree. I am a bit more informed of the current situation than most people, maybe not as much as the current WMF advisory board member but who knows. My opinion on this is from a regular community member before much of the community in other cities was active. I am not af

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Theo10011
I meant to ask earlier, since the fundraiser already started and this is being announced now. Is this trust set-up to participate in the annual fundraiser? processing donations on-behalf of WMF internally? or would it seek to do so in future? I know you mention FCRA and external funding after appr

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

2011-11-11 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:40 PM, wrote: > > From personal experience with WCI 2011, we have benefited by having both > the Chapter and the Foundation in the country. > > Kind Regards, > > > Hi In the interest of full-disclosure first, please have a look here.[1] Both the organizers are on WMF

Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours

2011-11-01 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > Hey guys > > Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours session > on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3 November. This will be at > 24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. This timing is designed

Re: [Foundation-l] New IRC Group Contact

2011-11-01 Thread Theo10011
2011/11/2 Mateus Nobre > > a new IRC group? like #wikimedia-something ? > > what's the theme of the group and its name? > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts Theo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscri

Re: [Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

2011-10-30 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: > You seem to be missing my point - that the WL tool serves an ulterior > function of allowing users who do not understand markup to communicate and > request help in a way they can understand. I *am* saying that most of those > with few or no e

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-20 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Andreas K. wrote: > Sounds good. I was going by last year's United Nations University survey, > > > http://www.wikipediasurvey.org/docs/Wikipedia_Overview_15March2010-FINAL.pdf > > which is older, but had a much larger sample size (176,000 vs. 5,300, > comprising

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-20 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Andreas K. wrote: > > I never assumed that, and it is not consistent with basic Wikipedia > policies > that have existed for almost as long as Wikipedia has existed. Wikipedia is > based on professionally published sources. They are privileged as the most > (or f

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-20 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Andreas K. wrote: > > The more we adhere to professional standards, the more professionals we > will > be able to attract. You may view abandoning the standards of the male > teenage/early twenties age group as bending the encyclopedia out of shape; > I > view it

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-19 Thread Theo10011
I might be from one of the most restrictive cultures, ethnicity and background than most people on this list. I assumed, it was people from my part of the world, that the board and WMF was trying to be considerate of. In all of this, I can't help but wonder where would it stop, there are probably

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Scholarships to attend WikiConference India 2011 in Mumbai, India

2011-10-19 Thread Theo10011
Forwarding on behalf of the Organizers. Theo --- Hiya, We are please to announce that

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-16 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 12:57 AM, ??? wrote: > On 16/10/2011 19:36, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > > Am 16.10.2011 16:17, schrieb ???: > >> On 16/10/2011 14:50, David Gerard wrote: > >>> On 16 October 2011 14:40, ???wrote: > >>> > Don't be an arsehole you get the same sort of stuff if you sear

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-10 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Risker wrote: > On 10 October 2011 21:26, John Vandenberg wrote: > > > Risker, > > > > The net nanny software could have been doing a keyword filter on the > > word "Sex", which would reject every page and image in > > [[Category:Sexual positions]] because it con

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-09 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Ting Chen wrote: > Hello Tobias, > > the text of the May resolution to this question is "... and that the > feature be visible, clear and usable on all Wikimedia projects for both > logged-in and logged-out readers", and on the current board meeting we > decided to

Re: [Foundation-l] Feature request

2011-10-07 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Rob Schnautz wrote: > Where would I go for a feature request for Wikimedia websites? I'm > interested in a cross-wiki watchlist-- a watchlist that combines the > watchlists from all my globally linked accounts. > > You mean something list this http://en.wikipedia.o

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-05 Thread Theo10011
Possibly relevant update: http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/news.php?newsid=157111 (might need translation) Theo On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: > On 5 October 2011 16:07, wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: emijrp > > > > > > >By the way, our free license

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-05 Thread Theo10011
I am sure other people can fill in, but I heard there has been some movement within the parliament in reaction. They are reconsidering a portion of that law that might affect us, or so I have been told. http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/news.php?newsid=157111 Can someone clarify? Regards Theo On

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 3:49 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Neil Babbage wrote: > > Yes they are able to strike, but that still doesn't give them the right > > (legal or moral) to shut down property that doesn't belong to them. In > > any case, if the servers are loc

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:35 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: > This is going to be a PR nightmare :-s > > Tom Morton > > On 4 Oct 2011, at 20:58, Aaron Adrignola > wrote: > > > Whoever has locked out access to it.wikipedia.org should be immediately > > desysopped under emergency procedures. This site is

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Nathan wrote: > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > For those not following, Italian Wikipedia went into lockdown a while > ago. > > All content and pages direct to the notice. > > > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Theo10011
For those not following, Italian Wikipedia went into lockdown a while ago. All content and pages direct to the notice. http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Comunicato_4_ottobre_2011 Regards Theo On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Mathias Schindler < mathias.schind...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue,

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Nathan wrote: > > > Hi Giovanni (or Donaldo?), > > Has anyone at it.wp been in touch with Foundation staff? Locking a > major wiki seems like a pretty big step, perhaps they could provide > some advice or resources? Am I correct in understanding this lock as a > pr

[Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011-10-04 Thread Theo10011
Hi There seems to be a situation developing at Italian Wikipedia related to a local law that would infringe neutrality on Wikipedia. The discussions even mention a possible blackout/lockdown in reaction. Is anyone aware of this situation? Is it likely to have any effect on other projects and outs

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-10-02 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 18:24, Theo10011 wrote: > > Bishakha, call it editorial-content, call it censorship or any other > > euphemism - at the heart of it, it is deciding what someone gets to see > and > > what not.

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Theo10011
Hiya Bishakha On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Bishakha Datta wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > > > > Bishakha, call it editorial-content, call it censorship or any other > > euphemism - at the heart of it, it is deciding what someone gets t

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 30 September 2011 18:24, Theo10011 wrote: > > Bishakha, call it editorial-content, call it censorship or any other > > euphemism - at the heart of it, it is deciding what someone gets to see > and > > wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Achal Prabhala wrote: > > > On Friday 30 September 2011 11:19 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Achal Prabhala >wrote: > > > > How about an encyclopedia? Anywhere? > > > > Are you suggesting a

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Achal Prabhala wrote: > > > On Friday 30 September 2011 10:54 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Bishakha Datta >wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Milos Rancic > wrote: > >>

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Bishakha Datta wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 16:24, Risker wrote: > > > Milos, I believe this is exactly the kind of post that Sue was talking > > about > > > in her blog. It is aggressive, it is alie

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Theo10011
Hi Sarah On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > > > > As a member of one feminist organization, I understand dominant > > position among feminists toward pornography. It's generally personal > > (thus, not an ideological

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-14 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Sarah wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 14:28, Theo10011 wrote: > > I doubt that would be enough to satisfy the no original research > > requirement. The idea linking back to a Wikimedia project as a source is > not > > a new one, it has b

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-14 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:52 AM, Achal Prabhala wrote: > > > On Thursday 15 September 2011 01:43 AM, David Gerard wrote: > > On 14 September 2011 21:02, Achal Prabhala wrote: > > > >> It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say that the world now follows the > >> Wikinews model. > > > > No, you're des

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-14 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:32 AM, Achal Prabhala wrote: > > > I've been following the Wikinews discussion, and I've been hesitant to > comment only because I know so little about it. The little I know tells > me that it could be something great, and perhaps the reason it's not > quite there yet is

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-14 Thread Theo10011
Hi Milos On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 16:17, Theo10011 wrote: > > My main point (although I *did* make it clear), was that volunteer-work > is > > what this movement is built on. Tell me a single content project that was

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-14 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:03 PM, wrote: > > Zitat von Theo10011 : > > I don't quiet agree with that analysis. You comparison with professional > > competitors might have held true in the last age of publishing, the > playing > > field has been much more levele

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-13 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Am 13. September 2011 13:34 schrieb Theo10011 : > > > > > > The biggest strength that a Wikinews like project can always have, is the > > most diverse contributor base anywhere. We have contributors from so many >

Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews

2011-09-13 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:37 PM, emijrp wrote: > I agree with this analysis. > > 2011/9/13 > > > English Wikinews is in a market with many, many professional > > competitors. Competitors with a paid staff that steadily create > > reliable news output quick and in most cases _for free_. While goo

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal image filter: leave it to third parties

2011-09-09 Thread Theo10011
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 5:28 AM, Phil Nash wrote: > MZMcBride wrote: > > If someone wants to make Conservative Wikipedia or Kid-Friendly > > Wikipedia or Tiananmen Square-Free Wikipedia, they're free to. They > > can even sell it. Contributors made that deal long ago with the open > > license of

Re: [Foundation-l] editor survey report

2011-09-09 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > Mani, > > A question: when you say that *"**Wikimedia chapters got the least > favorable > ratings (6.15) ... In addition, knowledge and involvement with chapters is > low. 46% of respondents said that they didn’t know if there was a chapter >

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use for Review

2011-09-08 Thread Theo10011
Thanks Geoff. One point that I would like some clarification on- >- Harassment, threats, stalking, vandalism, and other long-term issues: > The proposed agreement would make clear that such acts are prohibited. > Novel for us, the agreement also raises the possibility of a global ban >

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Theo10011
Wow. looks really interesting Pharos. It seems they incorporated a lot of the project philosophy in the re-branding. Also, I don't know if the UI they have on the Macbook is part of it or not, but it all looks great. Theo On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Pharos wrote: > I thought folks might be

Re: [Foundation-l] The systematic and codified bias against non-Western articles on Wikinews

2011-09-07 Thread Theo10011
With all due respect, this sounds almost delusional. The fact is, it is the restrictive control being exercised at Wikinews to fulfill some internal quality standards that is choking the idea behind the project. On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:03 PM, pi zero wrote: > Having only a few hours ago been al

Re: [Foundation-l] The systematic and codified bias against non-Western articles on Wikinews

2011-09-06 Thread Theo10011
English Wikinews has been broken for a while. The entire system is predicated on the judgement of reviewers, and a handful of rather rude admins. I saw some rather aggressive posture and a pretty threatening demeanor employed towards others when I tried contributing early last year. I once tried t

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF

2011-09-02 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > > I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority > > for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are > > controlled by Brazilians. At the same time I don't

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-28 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Nathan wrote: > On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > > Hi Mike > > > > I was merely pointing out from what I have seen from some of the other EU > > chapters. I know as Non-profits they are obligated to comp

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-28 Thread Theo10011
In line replies to Nathan. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 4:59 AM, Nathan wrote: > Several points in reply to Theo: > > 1) You don't need to argue the value of having chapters around the world. > No > one debating that. It's accepted that effective global outreach requires > effective local partners, a

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-28 Thread Theo10011
Hi Mike I was merely pointing out from what I have seen from some of the other EU chapters. I know as Non-profits they are obligated to comply with local restrictions, whether those restriction are lax or stringent in comparison is a matter of opinion but they do exist, is my point. I believe the

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-28 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Nathan wrote: > On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > Hi Risker > > > > I would like to ask your opinion on WMF's stewardship of the money. The > > Foundation has fulfilled its legal obligation as a non-profit bu

Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters

2011-08-28 Thread Theo10011
Hi Risker I would like to ask your opinion on WMF's stewardship of the money. The Foundation has fulfilled its legal obligation as a non-profit but as a community member from english wikipedia, do you feel it has been accountable to you or spent it on worthwhile activities for the community? the r

Re: [Foundation-l] a funny story about wikipedia's strange power

2011-08-26 Thread Theo10011
Why is everyone trying to kill the thread? Also, Cool story brah. Save the thread! Theo On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 4:39 AM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > Bring out your dead threads... > > It's not dead yet!! > > Sent from my phone. > Wittylama.com/blog > > On 24/08/2011, at 13:51, Thomas Morton > wrote

[Foundation-l] Image file referendum Banners

2011-08-16 Thread Theo10011
Hi The Image file referendum banners are currently running at 100% globally[1], on all projects (correct me if I'm wrong). It seems rather excessive considering the banner's size and the subject. I have no idea, if this issue really needs such an exposure. The scheduled service outage notice a fe

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement Roles: my suggestion of "Language Contact Persons"

2011-08-14 Thread Theo10011
Hi Ziko I am not sure if I see the point here. There are 2 issues getting conflated here, one is representation of languages between national chapters which I believe, is a much bigger issue. The second issue, where these Language contact persons serve WMF and the movement in talking about local l

Re: [Foundation-l] Like button

2011-08-10 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > Hmm, it'd be a neat extension for Commons. I don't think "like" or "+1" > > should be used, as they're not sufficiently wiki. But something that > > expresses the same sentiment, that allows users to express approval of > good > > pho

Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters

2011-08-05 Thread Theo10011
Nathan, there is no reason to single out Beria. She at least responded to the questions. There are a lot of people reading this who didn't and have far more authority to comment on the matter than her. Theo On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Nathan wrote: > Beria, I don't think your views on trans

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