On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Chad wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Andre Engels wrote:
>> The foundation holds technical control over the wikipedia domains;
>> nothing can be done but by the foundation to for example rename a
>> wiki.
>
> A purely technical matter. As long as the communi
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Mark Williamson wrote:
> It's more complex than that I think.
>
> "mo" was deleted from the list of ISO codes relatively recently; when
> the Wiki was created it was a valid ISO code.
>
>
> Like I said, it is a complex issue. Also, from what I have heard (and
> thi
No, they most certainly would not. However it's a bit of a moot point
as if I recall correctly there were only 1 or 2 admins and they've
both left since.
Mark
On 9/1/09, Peter Gervai wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 08:29, Mark Williamson wrote:
>> It certainly should, ideally, be the same Wikipe
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 08:29, Mark Williamson wrote:
> It certainly should, ideally, be the same Wikipedia - in my opinion
> the ideal situation would have a converter on ro.wp. However, I don't
> think most Romanian Wikipedians would approve of this (as I mentioned
> earlier in the thread).
A wor
It certainly should, ideally, be the same Wikipedia - in my opinion
the ideal situation would have a converter on ro.wp. However, I don't
think most Romanian Wikipedians would approve of this (as I mentioned
earlier in the thread).
Mark
On 9/1/09, Peter Gervai wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 07:
Hoi,
The word "deprecated" in this context does not mean that it is wrong, it
means that it is best not to use it. In standards like this they use the
word in order to allow for the continued use in situations where a change is
not easy. In the Wikimedia Foundation we have several instances that ar
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 07:04, Mark Williamson wrote:
> I thought the previous consensus was that this project was to be moved
> to a different domain - although outright deletion has been suggested
> by quite a few people I can't see where that was ever agreed to.
Stats briefing:
51 active, 850 re
It's more complex than that I think.
"mo" was deleted from the list of ISO codes relatively recently; when
the Wiki was created it was a valid ISO code.
Now, "ro" applies to "Romanian", for which Moldovan is supposed to be
an alternative name, however it seems inappropriate (although it may
be te
I thought the previous consensus was that this project was to be moved
to a different domain - although outright deletion has been suggested
by quite a few people I can't see where that was ever agreed to.
Mark
On 9/1/09, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> It is equally abundantly clear that the em
Hoi,
It is equally abundantly clear that the emotions run high whenever this
issue is raised. There is one difference between this closure and all the
others. When this project will be closed, it will not go to the incubator
but will be deleted. This is in marked contrast with all the others.
If I
I think it has been stated before on this list, that mo.wikipedia.org should
be moved, alongside some other projects waiting to be removed and the staff
developers seemed agreable to this apart from the fact that they didn't
devote time for the necessary background work (moving and recreating
datab
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Andre Engels wrote:
> The foundation holds technical control over the wikipedia domains;
> nothing can be done but by the foundation to for example rename a
> wiki.
>
>
> --
> André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com
>
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> f
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Andrew
Turvey wrote:
> - The iso code for Romanian/Moldavian is ro. "mo", which was the ISO code for
> Moldavian in the Cyrillic script is now deprecated. There is no ISO code for
> Cyrillic script Moldavian.
ISO 639 codes are about languages, not scripts. The c
A few points to add and some suggestions:
- You can have a single language written in more than one script; although they
are separate issues, for our purposes, given that we are predominantly written,
we tend to combine both issues and look at language/script combinations.
- There seem to be
Mark,
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:01, Mark Williamson wrote:
> You seem to believe that Cyrillic for the language is a purely
> historical artefact when in fact it is still used in textbooks for
> schoolchildren and learning to read in Transnistria.
I acknowledge that, but what do you want to say:
You seem to believe that Cyrillic for the language is a purely
historical artefact when in fact it is still used in textbooks for
schoolchildren and learning to read in Transnistria. If Cyrillic
script were no longer in use for Moldovan or used only as a historical
curiosity this would be a dead is
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 09:08, Mark Williamson wrote:
> If your language is called "Romanian",
As a sidenote I observe a strong tension between The Romanian People
and others related to the country but separated from it, or got
involved its history. Often I see violent desire to separate
everything
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 08:59, Mark Williamson wrote:
> When you say "that _is_ the _moldovan_ language"... how does Cyrillic
> writing make it not Moldovan anymore?
On the contarary: latin script make it not Moldovan language anymore.
It's like saying old english (non latin script) should be used
> 2) I do not remember the policy to host the same language in different
> scripts, but if we support that, we should follow the already applied
> naming convention (I tend to remember something similar about serbian
> wp?)
In general the policy is that if we can create a converter we should.
In t
2 things as well:
If your language is called "Romanian", as you contend in the topic
line, why do you care about the Moldovan WP? You can't have your cake
and eat it too.
Also, the name of the holiday is not "Our romanian language", it's
just "Our Language", there is very specifically no mention
When you say "that _is_ the _moldovan_ language"... how does Cyrillic
writing make it not Moldovan anymore? Also, there is a very clear
notice at the top directing people to Latin-alphabet content - it's
not as if anybody is actually deprived of being able to read in their
preferred script or is di
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 04:10, Mark Williamson wrote:
> I think it is fair to say that no language "belongs" to a country, it
> belongs to all speakers... what about the hundreds of thousands of
> people who write Moldovan in Cyrillic?
According to Wikipedia (the enciclopaedia libre of the internet
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Marcus Buck wrote:
> David Gerard hett schreven:
>> 2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu :
>>
>>
>>> I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please
>>> respect us.
>>>
>>
>>
>> If by "respect" you mean "agree" and "do what I say" ... then I'm
I think it is fair to say that no language "belongs" to a country, it
belongs to all speakers... what about the hundreds of thousands of
people who write Moldovan in Cyrillic?
Also I'm curious what Geni feels about them - using "mo" to refer to
Cyrillic Moldovan is not, in my view, "inaccurate", a
David Gerard hett schreven:
> 2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu :
>
>
>> I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please
>> respect us.
>>
>
>
> If by "respect" you mean "agree" and "do what I say" ... then I'm not
> surprised you have no insight as to why no-one c
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:45 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> 2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu :
>
> > I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet.
> Please
> > respect us.
>
>
> If by "respect" you mean "agree" and "do what I say" ... then I'm not
> surprised you have no insight
2009/8/31 David Gerard :
> 2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu :
>
>> I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please
>> respect us.
>
>
> If by "respect" you mean "agree" and "do what I say" ... then I'm not
> surprised you have no insight as to why no-one cares about your
2009/8/31 Cetateanu Moldovanu :
> I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please
> respect us.
If by "respect" you mean "agree" and "do what I say" ... then I'm not
surprised you have no insight as to why no-one cares about your
request.
- d.
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>the world the language that you claim to be "your own" is written in
I said OUR, OUR country, OUR language, OUR latin script and alphabet. Please
respect us.
"The Moldovan language has often been successfully identified as and called
Romanian."
That's very true, that's why I'm asking, that's why
Hoi,
French, English, German, Tamil and many other languages are not only spoken
in the "country of origin". The Moldovan language has often been
successfully identified as and called Romanian. When in this other area of
the world the language that you claim to be "your own" is written in
Cyrillic
Hello everyone,
20 years ago on 27 august 1989, 700 000 of moldovans (of a 4 millions
popoulation) went to the center of Chișinău (the capital of Moldova) to the
*Piața Marii Adunări Naționale*, the biggest square in the city, and shout
"limbă alfabet" (language and the alphabet) and for country i
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