Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-22 Thread Mike Christie
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:40 AM, MZMcBride wrote: > Erik Moeller wrote: > > Terms like "strategy", "mission statement" and "stakeholder" have > > concrete organizational meaning. Yes, they are also often used as part > > of marketing copy or organizational copy in ways that are unhelpful, > > be

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-22 Thread MZMcBride
Erik Moeller wrote: > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 3:16 AM, Tom Morris wrote: >> Mostly though, thanks to the Internet and multinational corporations, >> godawful business jargon crosses all national borders. Words and >> phrases like 'onboarding', 'stakeholders', 'mission statements', >> 'platforms',

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-22 Thread Thomas Morton
> > > Mostly though, thanks to the Internet and multinational corporations, > > godawful business jargon crosses all national borders. Words and > > phrases like 'onboarding', 'stakeholders', 'mission statements', > > 'platforms', 'proactive', 'sectors' and pretty much anything > > 'strategic', for

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-22 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 4:19 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 3:16 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > >> Mostly though, thanks to the Internet and multinational corporations, >> godawful business jargon crosses all national borders. Words and >> phrases like 'onboarding', 'stakeholders', 'm

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-21 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 3:16 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > Mostly though, thanks to the Internet and multinational corporations, > godawful business jargon crosses all national borders. Words and > phrases like 'onboarding', 'stakeholders', 'mission statements', > 'platforms', 'proactive', 'sectors' an

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-19 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Tom, I couldn't agree more. And I remember that I understand Amir's blog entries quite well, in sharp opposition to some other WMF technical guys' blog entries... A copy-editor with an eye for newbies, non techies, non native speakers of English etc. would be a great idea. Kind regards Ziko

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-19 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 19/02/2012 5:21 AM, Thierry Coudray wrote: Thierry who still not have found a good translation in French for accountability :) You probably want "/imputabilité/" :-) -- Coren / Marc ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-19 Thread Tom Morris
On 19 February 2012 10:21, Thierry Coudray wrote: >> >> We're a multi-lingual movement, and this makes clear English even more >> important. If something is unclear to a native speaker, it's even more >> difficult for someone who has English as a second or third language. >> > > I confirm. > Its q

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-19 Thread Thierry Coudray
> > We're a multi-lingual movement, and this makes clear English even more > important. If something is unclear to a native speaker, it's even more > difficult for someone who has English as a second or third language. > I confirm. Its quite difficult for a non fluent english speaker to be involve

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-19 Thread Chris Keating
I'd recommend George Orwell's essay on "Politics and the English Language". It's one of the most persuasive arguments to use clear language I've read. http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm We're a multi-lingual movement, and this makes clear English even more important. If something i

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-18 Thread Stuart West
On Feb 18, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > Accountabilities, plural? I can understand accountability, the state > of being accountable to another. But I have no idea what > accountabilities are. Can you collect them like Pokémon cards? I want a set of those cards. No, I need a set of thos

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-18 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 18 February 2012 22:33, Tilman Bayer wrote: > Hi Tom, > > On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > > Since Wikipedia started in 2001, great effort has been put into > > ensuring that it is readable, clear and understandable by visitors. > > Good Wikipedia writing is clear, concise

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-18 Thread Tilman Bayer
Hi Tom, On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Tom Morris wrote: > Since Wikipedia started in 2001, great effort has been put into > ensuring that it is readable, clear and understandable by visitors. > Good Wikipedia writing is clear, concise, comprehensive and > consistent. Excellent Wikipedia writin

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-18 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2012/2/18 Steven Walling : > Seems like a Catch-22 to me: documents about what we do at the Foundation > are sometimes not plainly understandable, and yet you can't make them > understandable unless you know what it is you're supposed to be describing. It doesn't have to be based on external sourc

Re: [Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-18 Thread Steven Walling
On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > Commit to clear writing by adopting a policy of "copyediting almost > always welcome" for chapter wikis, Foundation documents and as close > to everything as possible. There are volunteers in the movement who > happily spend hour after hour cop

[Foundation-l] Communicating effectively: Wikimedia needs clear language now

2012-02-18 Thread Tom Morris
Since Wikipedia started in 2001, great effort has been put into ensuring that it is readable, clear and understandable by visitors. Good Wikipedia writing is clear, concise, comprehensive and consistent. Excellent Wikipedia writing is, according to English Wikipedia's featured article criteria, "en