[Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Nathan wrote: > I see Brandon replied to this thread several times; did anyone notice > if the question in the OP (if community consensus is required for > implementation, where was it demonstrated for en.wp) was answered? As a matter of general practice, the Wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Fae
Hi Erik, Thanks for explaining WMF's position with respect to not needing community consensus, that is much clearer to me now. I am glad to see mutual trust mentioned. Cheers, Fae ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscri

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread David Levy
Erik Moeller wrote: > As a matter of general practice, the Wikimedia Foundation aims to be > responsive to the community both before and after the deployment of > software, but it doesn't obtain community consensus before deploying > software which it would like to deploy on its sites and services

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Nathan wrote: >> I see Brandon replied to this thread several times; did anyone notice >> if the question in the OP (if community consensus is required for >> implementation, where was it demonstrated for en.w

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Michael Snow
On 10/31/2011 11:04 AM, David Levy wrote: > Erik Moeller wrote: >> As a matter of general practice, the Wikimedia Foundation aims to be >> responsive to the community both before and after the deployment of >> software, but it doesn't obtain community consensus before deploying >> software which it

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > If I understand correctly, the English Wikipedia is the main test > deployment for this as an experimental feature. While the feature > remains experimental, additional deployments to other wikis would only > happen if requested by community

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Brandon Harris
On 10/31/11 11:08 AM, Nathan wrote: > It sounds like Brandon misunderstood the > criteria for deploying WikiLove on various projects. Can you give us > the correct description of how that is being handled? Well. I wrote the criteria for additional deployment. You can read them

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread David Levy
Brandon Harris wrote: > Well.  I wrote the criteria for additional deployment. In your earlier message, you omitted the word "additional" (and an explanation of the preceding English Wikipedia test deployment). No matter; the misunderstanding has been resolved. David Levy _

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Erik Moeller
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Nathan wrote: > That's a pretty bold statement for the WMF to make - "If you don't > trust the WMF, don't contribute to WMF projects." Are you sure that's > what you meant? Hi Nathan, let me try to clarify what I mean by trust in this context. We can, indeed mus

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Hubert
Am 31.10.2011 18:34, schrieb Erik Moeller: > > The partnership between WMF and the community is founded on mutual > trust. If you don't trust WMF, you can - and probably should - > contribute your effort elsewhere, because WMF may - and probably will > - do things you won't like. > > HTH, > Er

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread David Levy
Erik Moeller wrote: > It's easy for us to accidentally send mixed messages, though, as this > thread has shown. Because so many things are done in response to > community consensus, there may be an expectation that this is always > the case, and that that's just how we work. In this instance, the

Re: [Foundation-l] Community consensus for software changes (Re: Show community consensus for Wikilove)

2011-10-31 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 19:36, Erik Moeller wrote: > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Michael Snow wrote: >> If I understand correctly, the English Wikipedia is the main test >> deployment for this as an experimental feature. While the feature >> remains experimental, additional deployments to o