Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial Content Study Update

2010-08-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The study was commissioned by the WMF itself. Therefore there is an interest in the results of the study. As far as I am concerned, this is discussion has been very much an echo chamber. The same points of view repeated by the same people. With very few people actually listening and willing

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial Content Study Update

2010-08-25 Thread David Goodman
It is possible that there is a difference between what the WMF is interested in and what the community is interested in, something which makes itself evident when there is no responses from people in the various projects. . I'm aware there are various portions of the community, but I can only

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial Content Study Update

2010-08-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Given that this is the FOUNDATION-L it is quite relevant what the WMF is interested in. If I were particularly interested in the English language communities opinion I would be elsewhere. As I argued before, I find this a subject that has been talked to death with hardly a person interested

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial Content Study Update

2010-08-25 Thread phoebe ayers
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:17 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: It is possible that there is a difference between what the WMF is interested in and what the community is interested in, something which makes itself evident when there is no responses from people in the various

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial Content Study Update

2010-08-25 Thread phoebe ayers
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 5:49 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 8:17 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: It is possible that there is a difference between what the WMF is interested in and what the community is interested in, something which makes

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial Content Study Update

2010-08-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:52, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: or winter! I vowed some time ago to not be northern-hemisphere-ist, but I still slip up. Hard to think about it being winter elsewhere when it's 39C outside here But, you are using C instead of F, which is quite good

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial Content Study Update

2010-08-25 Thread Ray Saintonge
Milos Rancic wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:52, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: or winter! I vowed some time ago to not be northern-hemisphere-ist, but I still slip up. Hard to think about it being winter elsewhere when it's 39C outside here But, you are using C

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial Content Study Update

2010-08-24 Thread Delphine Ménard
Robert, For what it's worth and for the record, I want to thank you for sharing your thoughts and findings about this process on this list, it's a fantastic positive and constructive example of transparency as I understand and value it. Bon courage, Cheers, Delphine On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial Content Study Update

2010-08-24 Thread Excirial
One serious issue with the current status of the study is that it appears to be fairly death - especially when considering that it debates a controversial issue while potentially not affecting just one, but every single Wikipedia. After an initial and sustained burst which saw at least several

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial Content Study Update

2010-08-24 Thread David Goodman
If nobody is interested in discussing the study, the apparent conclusion is not that the study should move to the next phase, but just the opposite, that it should be abandoned. If nobody cares enough to talk about it, it's not worth doing. (a slightly different application of WP:GNG, the general

[Foundation-l] Controversial Content Study Update

2010-08-23 Thread R M Harris
Robert Harris here again, the consultant looking at the issues surrounding controversial content on Wikimedia projects. I wanted first of all to thank all of you who have taken the trouble to once again weigh in on a subject I know has been debated many times within the Wikimedia