On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Pharos wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
>> John Vandenberg wrote:
>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Brian wrote:
>>>
I propose expanding the notion of the Wikimedia Incubator to include
entirely new projects that are very
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
> John Vandenberg wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Brian wrote:
>>
>>> I propose expanding the notion of the Wikimedia Incubator to include
>>> entirely new projects that are very, very easy to create. They don't need to
>>> be approve
I find projects to build large catalogs interesting; many of these are
simply not done well online. If you have a free catalog, you can
visaulize its elements on a map / with search; add reviews and images
and comments to what was previously uncommentable. Some potential
catalogs:
Organizations
Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/8 Pedro Sanchez :
>
>> Geographical/atlas/map kind ofproject
>>
>> granted, there's wikimapia and other external equivalents
>> but we (Wikimedia) are lacking it
>>
>
> Is there any point us doing something that already exists? What would
> be better about a Wi
Hoi,
I can't respond to that question about a particular project on this mailing
list. But suffice it to say, at least some language Wikipedia's aren't
going to include articles about streets without a reference to a published
source. "I went there and took this pictures of it" doesn't qualify
as
I just added the street, and already they want to delete it.
What should I put as a reason?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FaradinHoti_(street_in_Prizren,_Kosovo)
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
>>> Well, ideally we will have wikipedia articles about every street in
>>
>> Well, ideally we will have wikipedia articles about every street in
>> Prizren, and they are going to be illustrated by your pictures (I hope
>> there is fop in Kosovo).
>
> Yes?
> I can create them.
>
> How would I name them?
> Prizren/FaradinHoti?
>
> What would they look like?
> Like this?
>
Now I'm going to get yelled at for posting too much, but better links would
probably be:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=12174465
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=6678417
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Anthony wrote:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/6678417 (
> http://en.wikipedia
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com <
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Just updated http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_du_Change
> has a link to this :
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/26127031
>
> But realistically, we need to be able to match them t
Just updated http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_du_Change
has a link to this :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/26127031
But realistically, we need to be able to match them together with
error tolerances. These two small differences are very small.
see the red dot:
http://yfrog.com/elbild
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Anthony wrote:
>
> Does OSM maintain a persistent unique ID for every node/way?
>
Answering my own question, yes.
And http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_du_Change , which locates the temple
at the rounded 45.76, 4.827778, thus making it difficult
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:25 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
> Well, ideally we will have wikipedia articles about every street in
> Prizren, and they are going to be illustrated by your pictures (I hope
> there is fop in Kosovo).
Yes?
I can create them.
How would I name them?
Prizren/FaradinHoti
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com <
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Anthony wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com <
> > jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> You have this direc
> When I was in Prizren, Kosovo, I took pictures of every street
> intersection.
> There are lots of shops and places that would never make it to the
> wikipedia but would be interesting to someone who wants to visit the
> place.
>
> here are some of my dumps in the archive.org :
> http://www.archi
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com <
> jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> You have this directory already!
>> Just extract all the deleted articles that are not notible.
>> you will have all the small business
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com <
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> You have this directory already!
> Just extract all the deleted articles that are not notible.
> you will have all the small business that got deleted.
>
> In fact that is the biggest pain t
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:40 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
>
> Also there is a big discussion on the idea that wikipedia data can be
> imported into openstreetmap, because supposedly the coordinates from
> Wikipedia are copied from non free sources.:
> http://www.nabble.com/Wikipedia-POI-impo
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Anthony wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Robert Rohde wrote:
>>
>> Another idea that I encountered somewhere (not currently sure where)
>> was to create a global wiki directory to essentially replace the
>> yellow pages. Something managed under a wiki m
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Robert Rohde wrote:
>
> Another idea that I encountered somewhere (not currently sure where)
> was to create a global wiki directory to essentially replace the
> yellow pages. Something managed under a wiki model to include the
> names, addresses, phone numbers,
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Robert Rohde wrote:
> Another idea that I encountered somewhere (not currently sure where)
> was to create a global wiki directory to essentially replace the
> yellow pages. Something managed under a wiki model to include the
> names, addresses, phone numbers, web
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Robert Rohde wrote:
> If we are just throwing out random ideas...
>
> I've long wanted to see an open source project to create a world
> family tree, i.e. document the ancestry and connections between
> everyone ever. There are a couple high profile closed source
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
> In my opinion, What is really missing for example is the ability to
> find all the articles that occur in a geographic location.
>
> I would like to see all the articles about Beijing for example, but it
> is not easy. Goog
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM, David Goodman wrote:
> Perhaps we need a peripheral Wikipedia layer for items meeting V, but
> where N being based on general assumptions: a level for verifiable
> articles that don't meet current notability standards.
>
> It could be a separate project, Wikidirec
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:
> On 9/8/09 3:56 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> 2009/9/8 Pedro Sanchez:
>>> Geographical/atlas/map kind ofproject
>>>
>>> granted, there's wikimapia and other external equivalents
>>> but we (Wikimedia) are lacking it
>>
>> Is there any point us doi
Perhaps we need a peripheral Wikipedia layer for items meeting V, but
where N being based on general assumptions: a level for verifiable
articles that don't meet current notability standards.
It could be a separate project, Wikidirectory--just as we moved out
dicdefs, and quotations, and so on, e
If we are just throwing out random ideas...
I've long wanted to see an open source project to create a world
family tree, i.e. document the ancestry and connections between
everyone ever. There are a couple high profile closed source / fee
based projects aiming to do this, but no successful proje
> * Wikisource -- better native support for side-by-side translations,
> annotations, and extracting/citing primary source material from the
> other sites like Wikipedia would be very helpful.
Same thing is in need for Wikiquote as well while I do believe
that
> ... extracting/citing primary sour
2009/9/10 Brion Vibber :
> IMO we need to do that for the projects we already have before we take
> on new obligations!
Oh yesss.
> We still have very poor software support for:
> * Commons -- We need a sane upload and post-upload workflow (eg review
> and deletion), and a clean system for han
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Brion Vibber wrote:
> IMO we need to do that for the projects we already have before we take
> on new obligations!
>
> We still have very poor software support for:...
Thanks Brion, it is good to know that the tech team is aware of these
issues and w
On 9/9/09 9:41 AM, David Gerard wrote:
> As Erik points out, at a certain point we have to actually write new
> code to support new ideas. Else "projects we could do at Wikimedia"
> becomes "projects we can do with a wiki engine."
IMO we need to do that for the projects we already have before we t
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Samuel Klein wrote:
>
> Great idea. Where's the right place to suggest this on the Incubator?
> That's a project where I have regrettably not gotten to know any of
> the local policies yet.
Here is the main project discussion:
http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wik
On 9/8/09, Brian wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
>
> > 2009/9/8 Michael Peel :
> > > What could be the cause of this recent dearth of new projects?
> >
> > Certainly the process for getting a new project underway is so complex
> > and exhausting that it's not som
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Robin P. wrote:
> In the past there were several project proposals on incubator, but we
> deleted them because they were not active. Since then, tests for new WMF
> projects are not allowed. If they were still allowed, Incubator would be
> full of inactive projects
As Erik points out, at a certain point we have to actually write new
code to support new ideas. Else "projects we could do at Wikimedia"
becomes "projects we can do with a wiki engine."
e.g. OpenStreetMap would have been a natural for WMF, but it would
have required a whole new software infrastruc
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Michael Peel wrote:
>
> There's a big difference between starting a new section of something,
> and starting something completely new and fresh. With the former, you
> get all of the baggage of that project so far - e.g. if you want to
> start something slightly di
On 9 Sep 2009, at 00:42, Yann Forget wrote:
> Michael Peel wrote:
>> ** A few of my favourite examples: WikiJournal, publishing scholarly
>> works;
>
> These works are welcomed on Wikisource, if they are under a free
> license, of course.
>
>> WikiReview, providing in-depth reviews of subjects;
>
On 9/9/09, Michael Peel wrote:
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 12:35, David Goodman wrote:
>
>> There is sufficient missing material in every Wikipedia, sufficient
>> lack of coverage of areas outside the primary language zone and in
>> earlier periods, sufficient unsourced material; sufficient need for
>>
Yes.
Btw, if we had a deadline, what should we do when a project reaches the
deadline? The most logical is deleting it. The problem with that, however,
is that nobody would contribute to a test project knowing that it will be
deleted when it reaches the deadline. If there is interest again, it woul
Are inactive project in incubator really such a big problem? Could not be
strict deadlines given to new projects in incubator the solution of this
problem?
Jiri
On Wednesday, 09. September 2009 16:10:26 Robin P. wrote:
> In the past there were several project proposals on incubator, but we
> de
In the past there were several project proposals on incubator, but we
deleted them because they were not active. Since then, tests for new WMF
projects are not allowed. If they were still allowed, Incubator would be
full of inactive projects. Even now, there are inactive test projects for
new langu
Hoi,
I am glad that this is seen as obvious. The language committee has never
involved itself in assessing new project proposals. It does not have the
inclination to do so and I am glad that this is understood.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/9 Michael Snow
> John Vandenberg wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep
John Vandenberg wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Brian wrote:
>
>> I propose expanding the notion of the Wikimedia Incubator to include
>> entirely new projects that are very, very easy to create. They don't need to
>> be approved by the WMF - they just need to demonstrate their value b
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Erik Moeller wrote:
> Certainly the process for getting a new project underway is so complex
> and exhausting that it's not something that many people will be likely
> to engage in
Another issue is that all our projects use the MediaWiki platform (and
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Brian wrote:
>
> I propose expanding the notion of the Wikimedia Incubator to include
> entirely new projects that are very, very easy to create. They don't need to
> be approved by the WMF - they just need to demonstrate their value by
> attracting a community and
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Yann Forget wrote:
> Michael Peel wrote:
> [cut]
>
>> ** A few of my favourite examples: WikiJournal, publishing scholarly
>> works;
>
> These works are welcomed on Wikisource, if they are under a free
> license, of course.
And if they are beyond the scope of Wikiso
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> 2009/9/8 Michael Peel :
> > What could be the cause of this recent dearth of new projects?
>
> Certainly the process for getting a new project underway is so complex
> and exhausting that it's not something that many people will be likely
> to
2009/9/8 Michael Peel :
> What could be the cause of this recent dearth of new projects?
Certainly the process for getting a new project underway is so complex
and exhausting that it's not something that many people will be likely
to engage in - especially considering that project ideas are often
Software programs (including smartphone apps), products (with UPC codes),
companies, organizations, restaurants, movies, books, video games, web
sites, libraries, elementary schools, points of interest. All the things
removed from Wikipedia by those mean old deletionists. Original research.
But
Michael Peel wrote:
[cut]
> ** A few of my favourite examples: WikiJournal, publishing scholarly
> works;
These works are welcomed on Wikisource, if they are under a free
license, of course.
> WikiReview, providing in-depth reviews of subjects;
I think this can be hosted on Wikibooks or Wikiv
Thanks for bringing this up, Mike. I think WikiReview sounds like a
great idea, WikiJournal sounds like it would suffer from a number of
very serious flaws, WikiWrite could be interesting, and that there are
probably a number of other project ideas that are equally interesting
but not necessarily i
On 9/8/09 3:56 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> 2009/9/8 Pedro Sanchez:
>> Geographical/atlas/map kind ofproject
>>
>> granted, there's wikimapia and other external equivalents
>> but we (Wikimedia) are lacking it
>
> Is there any point us doing something that already exists? What would
> be better about
2009/9/8 Pedro Sanchez :
> Geographical/atlas/map kind ofproject
>
> granted, there's wikimapia and other external equivalents
> but we (Wikimedia) are lacking it
Is there any point us doing something that already exists? What would
be better about a Wikimedia version?
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On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Michael Peel wrote:
>
> On 2 Sep 2009, at 12:35, David Goodman wrote:
>
> > There is sufficient missing material in every Wikipedia, sufficient
> > lack of coverage of areas outside the primary language zone and in
> > earlier periods, sufficient unsourced materia
The question isn't "Is there more we could do?" because there most
certainly is. The question is "Is there more we want to do?" We need
to decide what really is the scope of the Wikimedia movement. We never
really made that decision before starting the existing projects and
just started any project
On 2 Sep 2009, at 12:35, David Goodman wrote:
> There is sufficient missing material in every Wikipedia, sufficient
> lack of coverage of areas outside the primary language zone and in
> earlier periods, sufficient unsourced material; sufficient need for
> updating articles, sufficient potentia
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