Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-04 Thread Billinghurst
Can I start with my disappointment of those who like to hijack/corrupt the conversation for their pet whinge? This was in no way bagging WP, absolutely not. This was not bagging WMF; this was my concern and frustration that WMF conflates to become Wikipedia, and that the organisation does i

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread Risker
On 2 November 2011 21:43, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Stephen Bain > wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:30 AM, Dominic McDevitt-Parks > > wrote: > >> While I am impressed by everyone's ability to turn this into yet another > >> discussion of the image filter,

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Stephen Bain wrote: > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:30 AM, Dominic McDevitt-Parks > wrote: >> While I am impressed by everyone's ability to turn this into yet another >> discussion of the image filter, how about if we don't do that just this >> once? :-) > > Yes, this i

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread Pedro Sanchez
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Kul Wadhwa wrote: > 2) A conspiracy to push Wikipedia at the expense of the sister projects > > In regards to #1, although I'm somewhat aware of the discussions > around the image filter, this is not affecting how we are approaching > this Initiative. Not at all.

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread Mateus Nobre
@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP > > On 2 November 2011 13:54, Kul Wadhwa wrote: > > > > > 2) A conspiracy to push Wikipedia at the expense of the sister projects > > > > > > In regards to #2, there is no conspiracy h

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread MZMcBride
Dominic McDevitt-Parks wrote: > On 2 November 2011 13:54, Kul Wadhwa wrote: >> 2) A conspiracy to push Wikipedia at the expense of the sister projects >> >> >> In regards to #2, there is no conspiracy here. We've been quite open >> about this. Yes, there is more of an emphasis on Wikipedia but i

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread Dominic McDevitt-Parks
On 2 November 2011 13:54, Kul Wadhwa wrote: > > 2) A conspiracy to push Wikipedia at the expense of the sister projects > > > In regards to #2, there is no conspiracy here. We've been quite open > about this. Yes, there is more of an emphasis on Wikipedia but it goes > back to WMF's prioritizatio

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread Kul Wadhwa
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Stephen Bain wrote: > On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:30 AM, Dominic McDevitt-Parks > wrote: >> While I am impressed by everyone's ability to turn this into yet another >> discussion of the image filter, how about if we don't do that just this >> once? :-) > > Yes, this

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread Stephen Bain
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:30 AM, Dominic McDevitt-Parks wrote: > While I am impressed by everyone's ability to turn this into yet another > discussion of the image filter, how about if we don't do that just this > once? :-) Yes, this is a WMF-killing-the-other-projects conspiracy thread, not an im

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Dominic McDevitt-Parks, 02/11/2011 16:30: > But the Foundation often fails to act as if the other projects > are actually essential in fulfilling its mission, and is notoriously bad at > ever characterizing them as essential or trying to make them feel that way. Unless that "as if" is a variation

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 02/11/2011 6:36 AM, m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: >> Wait am moment... Wikipedia Zero is an extension to Wikipedia that >> filters out images? And not even some of them on a totally voluntary >> base but all of them for everybody? I guess

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread Dominic McDevitt-Parks
While I am impressed by everyone's ability to turn this into yet another discussion of the image filter, how about if we don't do that just this once? :-) This is the blog post that the WMF published regarding the development: < http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/10/26/wikipedia-seeks-global-operator-p

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread David Gerard
On 2 November 2011 12:11, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > Well, you'll hear no such thing from me (and I'm arguably one of the > more verbal opponents of the image filter as originally proposed).  This > neatly sidestep all of the fatal flaws with filters where moral > judgments are imposed, or our we

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 02/11/2011 6:36 AM, m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: > Wait am moment... Wikipedia Zero is an extension to Wikipedia that > filters out images? And not even some of them on a totally voluntary > base but all of them for everybody? I guess I better shut down my > e-mail account to prevent the flood of

Re: [Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread me
Wait am moment... Wikipedia Zero is an extension to Wikipedia that filters out images? And not even some of them on a totally voluntary base but all of them for everybody? I guess I better shut down my e-mail account to prevent the flood of angry mailing list posts from the censorship theor

[Foundation-l] Frustration with WMF = WP

2011-11-02 Thread Billinghurst
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-10-31/Technology_report Wikimedia proposes Wikipedia Zero Aaahh. I know that it is the flagship, however, it becomes a self-fulfilling philosophy that nothing else exists at WMF when _WMF_ cannot even se