Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-26 Thread Marc Riddell
>> - Original Message - >> From: "Gerard Meijssen" >> To: ; "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" >> >> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example >> >&

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
he rainbow. Thanks, GerardM On 26 September 2010 13:09, Fred Bauder wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Gerard Meijssen" > > To: ; "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:35 P

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-26 Thread Fred Bauder
> - Original Message - > From: "Gerard Meijssen" > To: ; "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:35 PM > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example > >> [...] Wikipedia is one of

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-26 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: "Gerard Meijssen" To: ; "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example > [...] Wikipedia is one of the > biggest websites in the world.

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 25 September 2010 17:53:05 Milos Rancic написа: > So, I wanted to do that as I treat that as my responsibility. I filled > the form once again and I had to spend next ~15 minutes while trying > to upload the 20k logo: license is not correct, author is not correct, > this is not correc

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please leave the experts alone, in their expert opinion Wikipedia is impossible. In my observation Wikipedia does really well in attracting people to read what we provide. So much so that Wikipedia is one of the biggest websites in the world. Obviously that is not how the reality of our succes

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Fred Bauder
> > I would however suggest that a good psychological profile question might > be, "Have you ever worked on a government contract before?" > > W > Early on, I was in the Navy. Ignore all rules is enshrined in "There is the right way, the wrong way, and the Navy way" which tells you to get it done

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/25/2010 12:10:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fredb...@fairpoint.net writes: > Yes, it's hard to collaborate; that's why Wikipedia is considered > impossible by experts. >> == Hmm broad brush. I would say collaboration is considered hopeless to those who thi

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:49, Marcus Buck wrote: > Okay. Could you elaborate on that? What do you think should be changed? > Which requirements are not well defined? > > So far I don't understand where exactly you see the influence of "bad > bureaucracy" playing a role here. Around a year ago: *

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Fred Bauder
> If I understood well, Americans don't have such bad feelings toward > the word "bureaucracy" and its derivatives. Wrong, the study of bureaucracy is considered by Americans to be a branch of entomology, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_studies Yes, it's hard to collaborate; that

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 19:47, Jim Redmond wrote: > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:35, Milos Rancic wrote: >> Thanks for making it clear :) It seemed to me that there is less >> antagonism toward bureaucracy among Americans. > > Clearly, you have not had to sit through any of our political rhetoric,

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Jim Redmond
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:35, Milos Rancic wrote: > Thanks for making it clear :) It seemed to me that there is less > antagonism toward bureaucracy among Americans. > Clearly, you have not had to sit through any of our political rhetoric, which saves a special sort of venom for the phrase "Was

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 25.09.2010 18:32, hett Milos Rancic schreven: > On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:28, Marcus Buck wrote: >> An'n 25.09.2010 17:53, hett Milos Rancic schreven: >>> Today I am working from my netbook. It is not so easy to find the >>> right button and the screen is small. I wanted to upload 20k lo

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:31, Michael Snow wrote: >  While I support the idea that we should have a discussion about how to > manage and structure our bureaucratic elements, I think the distinction > posited between American and European perspectives is imaginary. As an > example, personally I ha

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:28, Marcus Buck wrote: >  An'n 25.09.2010 17:53, hett Milos Rancic schreven: >> Today I am working from my netbook. It is not so easy to find the >> right button and the screen is small. I wanted to upload 20k logo for >> new Wikipedia edition (in Banjar) [1]. I wanted t

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Michael Snow
While I support the idea that we should have a discussion about how to manage and structure our bureaucratic elements, I think the distinction posited between American and European perspectives is imaginary. As an example, personally I have so far declined to accept "bureaucrat" status largel

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 25.09.2010 17:53, hett Milos Rancic schreven: > Today I am working from my netbook. It is not so easy to find the > right button and the screen is small. I wanted to upload 20k logo for > new Wikipedia edition (in Banjar) [1]. I wanted to find the right > copyright tag (logo is trademark of

[Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Milos Rancic
If I understood well, Americans don't have such bad feelings toward the word "bureaucracy" and its derivatives. In Europe it is different. When I tell to Gerard that he is better bureaucrat than me, he feels offended; although I thought about specific virtues, not defects; and although I've defined