Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-21 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Usage statistics alone, I would agree with you. But stats can tell so much more than just what you get from usage stats. For instance: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikinews/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htm (be sure to scroll all the way to the right). ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-20 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 09/20/11 10:11 PM, とある白い猫 wrote: > Certain projects are bound to loose active contributors. Projects like > Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikispecies or even Wiktionary do not have the same > growth curve as a general purpose encyclopedia. These tools have serious > competition as well. Statistically l

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-20 Thread とある白い猫
Certain projects are bound to loose active contributors. Projects like Wikisource, Wikiquote, Wikispecies or even Wiktionary do not have the same growth curve as a general purpose encyclopedia. These tools have serious competition as well. Statistically looking at numbers is unwise unless you are g

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-20 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 09/13/11 6:11 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > I am not a Wictionary contributor but I was never able to understand why > we have Wictionaries in different language, though a big part of those seem > to be translations on other languages, and they overlap. Would it not be > advantageous to hav

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread Andrew Lih
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> Wiktionary is useful; perhaps you're referring to my comments, which were >> not about Wiktionary at all. Wikiquote definitely does not belong as a >> sister project. Maybe it is a "shining beacon" in the cesspool of >> internet >> quote site

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread Fred Bauder
> Wiktionary is useful; perhaps you're referring to my comments, which were > not about Wiktionary at all. Wikiquote definitely does not belong as a > sister project. Maybe it is a "shining beacon" in the cesspool of > internet > quote sites; well, there are lots of things the rest of the Internet

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread M. Williamson
Wiktionary is useful; perhaps you're referring to my comments, which were not about Wiktionary at all. Wikiquote definitely does not belong as a sister project. Maybe it is a "shining beacon" in the cesspool of internet quote sites; well, there are lots of things the rest of the Internet does poorl

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread Fred Bauder
> In the discussion of the Wikinews fork (may they thrive), I picked up > some comments predicting the death of Wiktionary and Wikiquote, > referring to the low numbers of regular contributors. > > I don't think that means the projects are dying: I'm an infrequent > contributor to both of those pro

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 September 2011 16:04, John Vandenberg wrote: > Supporting/Investing in the extensions used by OmegaWiki. > http://www.omegawiki.org/Special:Version Including one credited, I see, to "Alan Smithee" ... - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list founda

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:46 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2011/9/13 David Richfield : > >>> It's possible. The interface part is even quite easy. >>> The hard part is defining a data model to contain all the words in all >>> languages, with definitions in all languages, with morphology tables, >>> e

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread emijrp
I prefer WMF caring about the currently hosted sister projects, instead of adding more. 2011/9/13 David Gerard > 2011/9/13 David Richfield : > > >> It's possible. The interface part is even quite easy. > >> The hard part is defining a data model to contain all the words in all > >> languages, wi

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread David Gerard
2011/9/13 David Richfield : >> It's possible. The interface part is even quite easy. >> The hard part is defining a data model to contain all the words in all >> languages, with definitions in all languages, with morphology tables, >> etc. Something like this is slowly being done at www.omegawiki.

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread David Richfield
> It's possible. The interface part is even quite easy. > > The hard part is defining a data model to contain all the words in all > languages, with definitions in all languages, with morphology tables, > etc. Something like this is slowly being done at www.omegawiki.org and > there are other proje

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2011/9/13 David Richfield : >> I am not a Wictionary contributor but I was never able to understand why >> we have Wictionaries in different language, though a big part of those seem >> to be translations on other languages, and they overlap. Would it not be >> advantageous to have just one Wiction

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread David Richfield
> I am not a Wictionary contributor but I was never able to understand why > we have Wictionaries in different language, though a big part of those seem > to be translations on other languages, and they overlap. Would it not be > advantageous to have just one Wictionary (as we have just one Commons

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:55:37 +0200, David Richfield wrote: > In the discussion of the Wikinews fork (may they thrive), I picked up > some comments predicting the death of Wiktionary and Wikiquote, > referring to the low numbers of regular contributors. > > I don't think that means the projects ar

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2011/9/13 David Richfield : > I don't think that means the projects are dying: I'm an infrequent > contributor to both of those projects, and every time I go there, > they're better. Absolutely true. In the last year or so i've been using English, Dutch, French, Spanish, Polish, Czech, Lithunian a

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread David Gerard
2011/9/13 David Richfield : > As for Wikiquote being one of our less useful projects, that's > possibly true, but only because the other projects are so awesome! > The web is awash with crap quotation websites of with the same > misattributed quotes being incestuously copied around - Wikiquote is

[Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

2011-09-13 Thread David Richfield
In the discussion of the Wikinews fork (may they thrive), I picked up some comments predicting the death of Wiktionary and Wikiquote, referring to the low numbers of regular contributors. I don't think that means the projects are dying: I'm an infrequent contributor to both of those projects, and