Re: [Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-17 Thread Ray Saintonge
David Goodman wrote: The problem is extraordinarily complex. A database of all books (and other media) ever published is beyond the joint capabilities of everyone interested. There are intermediate entities between books and works, and important subordinate entities, such as article ,

Re: [Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-17 Thread Lars Aronsson
Yann Forget wrote: This discussion is very interesting. I would like to make a summary, so that we can go further. 1. A database of all books ever published is one of the thing still missing. No, no, no, this is *not* missing. This is exactly the scope of OpenLibrary. Just as

Re: [Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-15 Thread John Vandenberg
(top-posting unravelled) On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:12 PM, David Goodmandgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Pavlo Shevelopavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:23 AM, David Goodmandgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: The training is typically an apprenticeship

Re: [Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-15 Thread David Goodman
Yes, i think they are quite capable of doing it, should take the primary responsibility. What I think they are not capable of is extending it to every published book in the world. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:21 PM, John

Re: [Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-14 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
The training is typically an apprenticeship under the senior... To my regret training/apprenticeship does not fit to everyone can..., be bold! set of wikimedia slogans/motto. As to me I would stand behind (vote for) training and apprenticeship. On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:23 AM, David

Re: [Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-14 Thread David Goodman
Exactly. That is why Wikipedia is an inappropriate place for this project. It lacks sufficient stability. I think Wikipedia should go on being what it is, an almost completely open place,and projects which need disciplined long term expertise should be organized separately. Wikipedia is a

[Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-12 Thread Yann Forget
Hello, This discussion is very interesting. I would like to make a summary, so that we can go further. 1. A database of all books ever published is one of the thing still missing. 2. This needs massive collaboration by thousands of volunteers, so a wiki might be appropriate, however... 3. The

Re: [Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-12 Thread David Goodman
Yann Sam The problem is extraordinarily complex. A database of all books (and other media) ever published is beyond the joint capabilities of everyone interested. There are intermediate entities between books and works, and important subordinate entities, such as article , chapter , and those

Re: [Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-12 Thread Samuel Klein
DGG, I appreciate your points. Would we be so motivated by this thread if it weren't a complex problem? The fact that all of this is quite new, and that there are so many unknowns and gray areas, actually makes me consider it more likely that a body of wikimedians, experienced with their own

[Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-10 Thread Samuel Klein
Lars, I think we agree on what needs to happen. The only thing I am not sure of is where you would like to see the work take place. I have raised versions of this issue with the Open Library list, which I copy again here (along with the people I know who work on that fine project - hello,