Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2011/2/12 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Given that we want to be more welcoming to women, I think it is awesome that we will be able to address women as women. The fact that we gain some statistical insight is a fringe benefit. The only question left is, when can this be

Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-14 Thread Béria Lima
I have one: I want you to tell me WHY is easy make a female noob will be able to use javascript, templates and redirects than click in one button and say I'm a girl. MediaWiki is full of things since forever. The software will not broke because one more feature. *Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925

Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-14 Thread Lodewijk
I agree with Beria here :) If (where) you implement it, then do it well. Creating a look-a-like solution with redirect-and-template structures seems a bit like a typical wikipedia-workaround, and I probably don't have to remind you that many of these workarounds together (resulting in complicated

Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-14 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:32:34 -0500, Ryan Lomonaco wiki.ral...@gmail.com wrote: Rather than implementing MediaWiki code that could be controversial, there's probably an easier solution that requires no code: - Add a pseudo-namespace (such as the WP: prefix on Wikipedia, WN: on Wikinews,

Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-13 Thread Lodewijk
And do you want it to be implemented :) But that question is to be answered on a community level of course - but I guess there are a few potential reasons why they might not want to implement it: * It could potentially give people the feeling they have to tell their gender: some people might not

Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-13 Thread Thomas Goldammer
Lodewijk is absolutely right. For example, Benutzer in German is a default term, it covers both male and female users (probably the same with gebruiker in Dutch), so why change it to something causing problems all over the place, not only technical ones? They can add it to the code of Mediawiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-13 Thread Austin Hair
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: And do you want it to be implemented :) But that question is to be answered on a community level of course - but I guess there are a few potential reasons why they might not want to implement it: [...] * Although

Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-13 Thread Béria Lima
Gerard, a girl posting here, not anymore a male discussion ;) *Lodewijk and Thomas: so why change it to something causing problems all over the place, not only technical ones?* Why? Maybe to call a girl by her real gender. The problems you both listed are not real problems. The male version is

Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-13 Thread Austin Hair
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Lodewijk: Gerard, this wouldn't really help to attract more new female users. Could you please tell me why? I can set my preferences to male or female, but i can't see my user page with my real gender. And yes, that is a

Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-13 Thread Lodewijk
To be absolutely clear: I am not against the feature, I am just against applying it to every user that indicated his/her gender without asking. Up to now (afaik) the male/female setting was only used for communication *to* the user: that is private. To turn on suddenly a feature that shows this

Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-13 Thread The Mono
So my user page would be at Male:Mono or Man:Mono? On Sunday, February 13, 2011, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: To be absolutely clear: I am not against the feature, I am just against applying it to every user that indicated his/her gender without asking. Up to now (afaik) the

Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-13 Thread Béria Lima
No Momo, your user page will be User:Mono as always. _ *Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484* 2011/2/13 The Mono m...@mono.x10.bz So my user page would be at Male:Mono or Man:Mono? On Sunday, February 13, 2011, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: To be absolutely clear: I am not

Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-13 Thread Ryan Lomonaco
Rather than implementing MediaWiki code that could be controversial, there's probably an easier solution that requires no code: - Add a pseudo-namespace (such as the WP: prefix on Wikipedia, WN: on Wikinews, etc.) that forwards from Benutzerin to Benutzer (and the relevant User talk namespaces).

[Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

2011-02-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, In English the word User does not indicate if it is male or female, The word Gebruiker or Benutzer do; the female form is Gebruikster or Benutzerin. It is with pleasure that I learned that Nikerabbit has written the code that allows for those languages where there is both a male and a female