Gerard, the term "incubating wikis" is confusing for reasons I already
explained. Users with little experience are very unlikely to know about
http://test.wikipedia.org/ so I see little potential for actual confusion.
We have been calling Wikis on incubator "test wikis" for ages (since BEFORE
incub
Hoi,
There is nothing wrong with the term incubating; it indicates forcefully
that we want full projects in those languages. A test wiki is even more
ambiguous because we have things like test.wikis for new software.
Having a landing page with texts in languages that are likely to be
understood is
On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Robin Pepermans wrote:
> I just realized that we will be able to add languages to
> http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/langlist without having any existing
> wiki in that language. Instead, they will point to Incubator when the
> redirects are implemented.
> For example
I just realized that we will be able to add languages to
http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/langlist without having any existing
wiki in that language. Instead, they will point to Incubator when the
redirects are implemented.
For example, all redlinks on Special:SiteMatrix will point to the
Incubator wi
changed in the next update of
the WikimediaIncubator extension.
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> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:26:06 -0700
> From: node...@gmail.com
> To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Inc
"2. Do you have a suggestion as an alternative for the term "incubating
wikis"? Is the more often used "test wiki" better?"
"Test wikis" is much better. It has been used since before incubator even
existed, it is easy to understand, and I don't see a downside.
_
Hi Robin,
that sounds great, I hope these things will solve some of the
problems. Thanks for your efforts.
Th.
2011/8/12 Robin Pepermans :
> Hi,
>
> @Mark: although I do not like your tone in your original post, you
> provide some good feedback (and started a thread with more feedback),
> which
Hi,
@Mark: although I do not like your tone in your original post, you
provide some good feedback (and started a thread with more feedback),
which is more than welcome.
2. Do you have a suggestion as an alternative for the term "incubating
wikis"? Is the more often used "test wiki" better?
5. I im
Well the problem is that http://www.wikipedia.org/ should remain "language
neutral" IMHO. Otherwise, I would propose a link that says "Is your language
not listed here?".
Unless anyone has any better ideas, perhaps we could work around this by
having such a message (which is relatively short), but
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:13 PM, M. Williamson wrote:
> Yes but again as I said, most people will be looking for their languages on
> http://www.wikipedia.org/ or in places where interwiki links are usually
> found.
Mark,
Could you please propose a specific solution that would make incubated
lang
On 8/8/2011 6:24 PM, foundation-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
> fwiw, the Wikisource portal lists all languages, inc. the languages in
> the Wikisource incubator.
>
> http://www.wikisource.org/
That's actually a good shortcut and it appears amongst the Wikimedia
buttons at the bottom of the
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 03:25, Milos Rancic wrote:
> -- and it is likely that it will be the first result on Google [and
> other] search engines.
... for the search "Wikpedia Central Atlas Tamazight"
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On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 03:13, M. Williamson wrote:
> Yes but again as I said, most people will be looking for their languages on
> http://www.wikipedia.org/ or in places where interwiki links are usually
> found. How many out of the 5 million speakers of Central Atlas Tamazight do
> you think are
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 11:13 AM, M. Williamson wrote:
> Yes but again as I said, most people will be looking for their languages on
> http://www.wikipedia.org/ or in places where interwiki links are usually
> found.
fwiw, the Wikisource portal lists all languages, inc. the languages in
the Wikiso
Yes but again as I said, most people will be looking for their languages on
http://www.wikipedia.org/ or in places where interwiki links are usually
found. How many out of the 5 million speakers of Central Atlas Tamazight do
you think are aware that the ISO code for their language is TZM? Probably
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 20:08, Casey Brown wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Thomas Goldammer
> wrote:
>> That'd be great, indeed. But if there is an article in enwiki about
>> that language, there is always also a link to the project(s), even if
>> it is in the incubator, example:
>> htt
I have a feeling very, very, very few French speakers find the French
Wikipedia through that route. Most people probably find a Wikipedia in their
language at http://www.wikipedia.org/ if they don't already know the URL. I
doubt many speakers will google "Central Atlas Tamazight Wikipedia" in
Engli
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Thomas Goldammer wrote:
> That'd be great, indeed. But if there is an article in enwiki about
> that language, there is always also a link to the project(s), even if
> it is in the incubator, example:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afar_language (it's near the bott
That'd be great, indeed. But if there is an article in enwiki about
that language, there is always also a link to the project(s), even if
it is in the incubator, example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afar_language (it's near the bottom and
on the right edge, though, so one might not see it easily).
People probably won't know the ISO codes, but a redirect is the
obvious first step. The second might be, if you do a search for
"Central Morocco Tamazight" a pointer comes up saying "Are you looking
for the projects in this language?"
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But that only includes wikis hosted on the incubator wiki, right? What
about the wikis that already exist?
BR
Th.
2011/8/8 Huib Laurens :
> There is a complete list here:
> http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis I guess it would be easy
> to add a status to it... And link the meta pa
There is a complete list here:
http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis I guess it would be easy
to add a status to it... And link the meta pages back to the list.
2011/8/8 Thomas Goldammer
> There should be a general overview page where all projects are listed
> with a very short des
There should be a general overview page where all projects are listed
with a very short description in the respective languages and a status
("open", "under supervision", "closed", "in preparation" or what else
you get), could be hosted on Meta. And this "Wikimedia projects
summary" or such can be
This is an improvement in many ways, but how does it help the average user?
How are people supposed to know that XYZ code points to XYZ language? Right
now we don't have any high-traffic pages pointing to incubator; it seems
less likely that say, en.wp main page will link to every single test wiki.
I'm not sure about interwiki's
if the project xxx.wikipedia.org/wiki/article will point to
incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/wp/xxx/article I guess it would be possible to
use the [[:xxx:]] interwiki? Cuz it wouldn't directly point the incubator.
So I guess it would be possible... But some changes need
Well, that idea also came to my mind (I didn't know that someone is
already working on it), but then interwikis wouldn't be possible,
would they? I think interwiki links are not unimportant to get native
or fluent speakers of a language to a wiki who are currently working
on other wikis. If they ar
SPQRobin is already working on a extension that will point
xxx.wikipedia.org to the right place on Incubator. The first version
is already deployed and he showed me the new version on WikiMania.
I'm not sure how long it will take, when wmf staff will help him out
it will take less time. But a bet
This is of course essentially what we did in the Good Old Days, but somebody
(or somebodies?) decided we needed More Rules, so now we have them, and as
is often the case with too many rules, they've constricted what was once a
free-flowing process and limited almost all new wikis to a very small
ge
Maybe a new system of "incubation" would be helpful. For example, one
could start the requested wikis on their future domain
(xxx.wikipedia.org / xxx.wiktionary.org etc.pp.) right from the
request, with at least two voluntary experienced supervisors on each
(one can supervise more than one of these
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Fajro wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Fajro wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Hydriz Wikipedia wrote:
>>>
>>> No, they don't share the same Recent Changes. It is separated now.
>
> Found it!
>
> Still too complicated. Four clicks and writing the i
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Fajro wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Hydriz Wikipedia wrote:
>>
>> No, they don't share the same Recent Changes. It is separated now.
Found it!
Still too complicated. Four clicks and writing the iso code.
The link from the test-wiki should direct to the
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Hydriz Wikipedia wrote:
>
> No, they don't share the same Recent Changes. It is separated now.
Where? http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
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No, they don't share the same Recent Changes. It is separated now.
Regards,Hydrizhttp://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hydriz
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> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 02:48:43 -0300
> To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
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8. All the "test wikis" share one single Recent Changes page.
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To anyone who's interested... on a request to close a Wiki on meta, we were
just debating the problems that exist with Incubator, when one of the
bureaucrats from Incubator asked something along the lines of "wait, there's
a problem with Incubator?" So I went on a little quest to prove how
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