On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 03:14:17PM -0700, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
>
> I can safely say that for fundraising we use a series of etherpads
> that absolutely couldn't be done on a wiki. We'd be edit conflicting
> all over the place. :)
>
Would you still say that if we (re)integrated Google^W
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson
wrote:
> Some FLOSS solution simply take more time than proprietary ones, and I
> know for a fact that the tech team have s much things to do that we
> should a) give them a break if they investigate a matter properly (which
> they seem to
On 27 October 2010 10:15, John Vandenberg wrote:
> "That said, our core [[wmf:Values]] includes transparency, and
> recognises that our community is our biggest asset."
Wikimedia is about the most transparent charity on the face of the
earth. It's possible that taking it to the pathological de
On 27 October 2010 09:53, Erik Moeller wrote:
> 2010/10/27 John Vandenberg :
>> " ... and their collective mind is probably better than your own, so
>> invite comments before you make decisions."
> "... and their willingness to second-guess everything you do has no
> boundaries, so exercise disc
Hello,
While I recognise that most of us use free software as much as we can, one
element that haven't been brought up in this thread yet is the matter of
time. Some FLOSS solution simply take more time than proprietary ones, and I
know for a fact that the tech team have s much things to do th
2010/10/27 Strainu :
> Let's not get carried away here. I am always interested to seeing
> alternatives to the tools I use myself and I'm willing to dig through
> some not-so-clear notes or whatever to find information, if that
> spares me some testing time. That was the sole reason I insisted for
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> 2010/10/27 John Vandenberg :
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Strainu wrote:
>>> ..
>>> What does that mean exactly? Does it contain sensitive information or
>>> what? It could really be of interest to other organizations to see
>>> this i
2010/10/27 Erik Moeller :
> 2010/10/27 John Vandenberg :
>> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Strainu wrote:
>>> ..
>>> What does that mean exactly? Does it contain sensitive information or
>>> what? It could really be of interest to other organizations to see
>>> this information, even if it's not
2010/10/27 John Vandenberg :
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Strainu wrote:
>> ..
>> What does that mean exactly? Does it contain sensitive information or
>> what? It could really be of interest to other organizations to see
>> this information, even if it's not really well organised.
>>
>> P.S
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Strainu wrote:
> ..
> What does that mean exactly? Does it contain sensitive information or
> what? It could really be of interest to other organizations to see
> this information, even if it's not really well organised.
>
> P.S. I think "Orientation 101" at WMF sh
2010/10/27 Jon Davis :
> Sorry, not this time. What I've got off hand isn't in a publicly usable
> format. I didn't think it would be of interest to the public. Now I know
> and next time I will make sure the info is public friendly, should it be
> desired.
>
What does that mean exactly? Does i
Sorry, not this time. What I've got off hand isn't in a publicly usable
format. I didn't think it would be of interest to the public. Now I know
and next time I will make sure the info is public friendly, should it be
desired.
-Jon
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 19:17, K. Peachey wrote:
> On Wed, O
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Jon Davis wrote:
> Howdy,
> As a quick introduction, I'm Jon Davis[1], one of the Office IT guys in the
> SF office. Since the Google Apps migrations is one of my major projects,
> I'll try to answer your questions the best I can. Replies in line.
> ...snip...
So
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:35 AM, Zugravu Gheorghe
wrote:
>
>
> On 27.10.2010 01:15, Jon Davis wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 15:02, Federico Leva (Nemo)
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Erik Moeller, 26/10/2010 23:01:
We've recommended Thunderbird in the past (with some folks sticking
with GMail, y
On 27.10.2010 01:39, David Gerard wrote:
> On 26 October 2010 23:35, Zugravu Gheorghe wrote:
>
>> And as a small comment: Thunderbird is free (as in freedom) application
>> and allows to do whatever manipulation with the code (and there are a
>> bunch of thunderbird customization already availa
On 26 October 2010 23:35, Zugravu Gheorghe wrote:
> And as a small comment: Thunderbird is free (as in freedom) application
> and allows to do whatever manipulation with the code (and there are a
> bunch of thunderbird customization already available there) - thus if
> there is a need this need c
On 27.10.2010 01:15, Jon Davis wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 15:02, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
>
>> Erik Moeller, 26/10/2010 23:01:
>>> We've recommended Thunderbird in the past (with some folks sticking
>>> with GMail, yours truly included), but unfortunately it doesn't meet
>>> all our nee
On 10/26/10 11:01 PM, Erik Moeller wrote:
I'd love to see at least a
> basic MediaWiki/Etherpad integration, it would give MW a huge
> productivity boost for real-time note-taking and collaboration.
+ 1 !
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 15:02, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> Erik Moeller, 26/10/2010 23:01:
> > We've recommended Thunderbird in the past (with some folks sticking
> > with GMail, yours truly included), but unfortunately it doesn't meet
> > all our needs.
>
> Why?
>
>
All things considered, I lik
Jon Davis wrote (among other things):
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 17:22, MZMcBride wrote:
>> I had a few questions about this migration.
>>
>> Has the decision to use Google Apps been finalized? If so, who made the
>> final decision?
>>
> Yes, the decision has been made. Office IT did the origina
On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> Actually, I've watched some etherpad history "replays" and I've seen
> simple patterns of a number of edits by an user and then a number of
> edits by another user (even on another section): nothing you can't
> easily do on MediaWiki.
I
Erik Moeller, 26/10/2010 23:01:
> We've recommended Thunderbird in the past (with some folks sticking
> with GMail, yours truly included), but unfortunately it doesn't meet
> all our needs.
Why?
> Google Docs is a great collaborative drafting tool (as is Etherpad,
> which is open), but I don't w
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Jon Davis wrote:
> The MX records point to McHenry (WMF). At this point mail is sorted and
> sent to the correct locations (Be it OTRS, Mailing Lists or Google Apps).
>
> -Jon
Ah, that's not so bad, then. Anything that has to be really really
confidential (shoul
The MX records point to McHenry (WMF). At this point mail is sorted and
sent to the correct locations (Be it OTRS, Mailing Lists or Google Apps).
-Jon
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 14:31, Anthony wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Jon Davis wrote:
> > This migration will not effect anything
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Jon Davis wrote:
> This migration will not effect anything but Staff email. OTRS, wiki's,
> mailing lists and anything else I've forgotten to mention will continue to
> work as they did previously.
Are the MX records going to point to WMF, or to Google? For whic
This migration will not effect anything but Staff email. OTRS, wiki's,
mailing lists and anything else I've forgotten to mention will continue to
work as they did previously.
As for paying, Yes we are. As for the SLA, the standard [1]
-Jon
[1] http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/terms/sla.html
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Jon Davis wrote:
> When we wanted to pursue
> the Google Apps project further, we contacted a sales rep. In the end, we
> went through the process like any other group would, and we pay the standard
> price.
Wow. The standard price? Is the person who negotiated
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Erik Moeller wrote:
> 2010/10/26 David Gerard :
>> ..
>> Google Docs is ridiculously usable for real-time collaboration. More
>> so than anything I've ever used.
>>
>> I suggest it's quite plausible that the Google versions are so far
>> ahead of self-hosted open s
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 4:43 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> Gmail is just ridiculously better than any other email client I've
> ever used ever, having previously progressed through Pine, elm, mutt
> and Thunderbird. Perhaps it's just me, but I'd guess otherwise from
> the number of Wikimedians with gm
Howdy,
As a quick introduction, I'm Jon Davis[1], one of the Office IT guys in the
SF office. Since the Google Apps migrations is one of my major projects,
I'll try to answer your questions the best I can. Replies in line.
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 17:22, MZMcBride wrote:
> Hi.
>
> This morning
2010/10/26 David Gerard :
> Gmail is just ridiculously better than any other email client I've
> ever used ever, having previously progressed through Pine, elm, mutt
> and Thunderbird. Perhaps it's just me, but I'd guess otherwise from
> the number of Wikimedians with gmail,com addresses.
> free
>
On 26 October 2010 21:30, MZMcBride wrote:
> Perhaps Google Apps has some terrific benefits that Wikimedia sorely needs;
> that was the reason I asked what benefits Wikimedia saw in migrating their
> systems in my original post. However, from where I'm standing, the cost
> versus benefits simply
Nathan wrote:
> I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't possibly care less what
> office software the Foundation uses. I suppose the paranoid conspiracy
> theory of a Google takeover fueled by illicit access to WMF data
> doesn't strike me as remotely realistic.
There was a story about a mo
On 26 October 2010 11:00, David Gerard wrote:
> On 26 October 2010 14:23, Nathan wrote:
>
> > I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't possibly care less what
> > office software the Foundation uses. I suppose the paranoid conspiracy
> > theory of a Google takeover fueled by illicit access
On 26 October 2010 14:23, Nathan wrote:
> I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't possibly care less what
> office software the Foundation uses. I suppose the paranoid conspiracy
> theory of a Google takeover fueled by illicit access to WMF data
> doesn't strike me as remotely realistic.
On 26 October 2010 13:23, Nathan wrote:
> I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't possibly care less what
> office software the Foundation uses. I suppose the paranoid conspiracy
> theory of a Google takeover fueled by illicit access to WMF data
> doesn't strike me as remotely realistic.
>
I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't possibly care less what
office software the Foundation uses. I suppose the paranoid conspiracy
theory of a Google takeover fueled by illicit access to WMF data
doesn't strike me as remotely realistic.
Nathan
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Anthony wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:22 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
>> This morning the Wikimedia Foundation had a meeting about migrating to
>> Google Apps.
>
> Using Google Apps for what?
My understanding is that it would be used for e-mail, calendars, and Google
Docs primarily. When I asked "W
On 10/25/2010 06:22 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Has the decision to use Google Apps been finalized? If so, who made the
> final decision?
>
> What are the benefits of using Google Apps for the Wikimedia Foundation?
>
One thing I will say to the benefit of Google Apps is that they allow
long-distan
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:22 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Hi.
>
> This morning the Wikimedia Foundation had a meeting about migrating to
> Google Apps.
Where was this announced / discussed ?
Or, how the heck did you find out?? ;-)
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On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:22 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
> Hi.
>
> This morning the Wikimedia Foundation had a meeting about migrating to
> Google Apps.
Using Google Apps for what?
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Hi.
This morning the Wikimedia Foundation had a meeting about migrating to
Google Apps. Google Apps is a Web-based closed source office suite that
includes Gmail and a few other services.[1]
I had a few questions about this migration.
Has the decision to use Google Apps been finalized? If so, wh
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