Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-03 Thread Vincent Untz
Le jeudi 03 juin 2010, à 01:13 -0400, Sergey Panov a écrit : On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 20:45 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Sergey Panov si...@sipan.org wrote: I sense a suspicion from the outsiders (not RedHat employees) that project is not just manned by the

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-03 Thread Vincent Untz
Le jeudi 03 juin 2010, à 11:54 +0200, Seif Lotfy a écrit : On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote: And don't get me wrong -- I happen to disagree with some stuff they're doing from time to time. But it doesn't mean I should stop trusting them. But would't you

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-03 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le jeudi 03 juin 2010 à 12:12 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : snip Really, how is it different from what's happening in any other module? I can certainly blame Guillaume and Xavier for not being able to have metacontacts in empathy today while it's something I asked two years ago; but they've

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-03 Thread Andreas Nilsson
On 06/03/2010 02:54 AM, Seif Lotfy wrote: And don't get me wrong -- I happen to disagree with some stuff they're doing from time to time. But it doesn't mean I should stop trusting them. But would't you like to have the points you disagree with be discussed or reevaluated? I

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-03 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2010/6/3 Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:31 AM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: the GNOME Shell design and development process, as somebody that looks at it (slightly) from the outside, and since its inception, has been nothing *but* open. it's your

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-03 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
2010/6/3 Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.se On 06/03/2010 02:54 AM, Seif Lotfy wrote: And don't get me wrong -- I happen to disagree with some stuff they're doing from time to time. But it doesn't mean I should stop trusting them. But would't you like to have the points you disagree

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-03 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:53 AM, William Jon McCann william.jon.mcc...@gmail.com wrote: This would be a good FAQ. We really do need a gnome-shell FAQ I think. I might help out on the whole community thing on shell if people are willing, it depends on whether this six month project I'm

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-02 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: The secret master plan  Boy do I wish I had a secret master plan tucked in a drawer  somewhere! It would be really useful  To the extent we have a master plan, it's in two documents  that everybody has seen:

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-02 Thread jhs
Hi! I think the community would love to see some more why behind the how :) For example I'd like to know why shell reinvents the graphical toolkit and comes with a (hardcoded?) theme which in turn makes it look out of place. Or why JS and not LUA or Python. I'm sure there was some

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-02 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 11:57:49AM +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: The secret master plan  Boy do I wish I had a secret master plan tucked in a drawer  somewhere! It would be really useful  To the extent we have a

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-02 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 11:57 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: The secret master plan Boy do I wish I had a secret master plan tucked in a drawer somewhere! It would be really useful To the extent we have a master

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-02 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 12:52 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: sure, if you disagree on the choice of colors in the CSS theme then you can discuss it with the UI design team - as long as you avoid bike-shedding them to death because that's not nice and all; but if you want to discuss the

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-02 Thread Piñeiro
From: Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com It's details like this that make the project look more like OpenOffice than a GNOME app (here's the resulting code versus here are the plans and the rationale, please discuss). what's fundamental is that not everything should be open to discussion.

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-02 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 12:52 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote:  GNOME Shell is radically different here so it's not the usual case. I wondered not about the supposed one-upping the color choices but about actually using the

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-02 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 14:40 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 12:52 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: GNOME Shell is radically different here so it's not the usual case. I wondered not about the supposed

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-02 Thread Sergey Panov
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 11:31 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 11:57 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: The secret master plan Boy do I wish I had a secret master plan tucked in a drawer somewhere!

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-02 Thread Sandy Armstrong
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Sergey Panov si...@sipan.org wrote: I sense a suspicion from the outsiders (not RedHat employees) that project is not just manned by the RedHat employees, but controlled by the company It's controlled by the people doing the work, like any other project. What

Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-02 Thread Sergey Panov
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 20:45 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Sergey Panov si...@sipan.org wrote: I sense a suspicion from the outsiders (not RedHat employees) that project is not just manned by the RedHat employees, but controlled by the company It's

Some notes on GNOME Shell

2010-06-01 Thread Owen Taylor
The secret master plan Boy do I wish I had a secret master plan tucked in a drawer somewhere! It would be really useful To the extent we have a master plan, it's in two documents that everybody has seen: http://www.gnome.org/~mccann/shell/design/GNOME_Shell-20091114.pdf