Re: [fpc-devel] Re: fpc-devel Digest, Vol 112, Issue 32

2013-08-23 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Quite frankly, from what I've seen most Windows users would find Linux simpler than one of the *freely* *available* IBM OSes (i.e. MVS, VM/360 "sixpack" and so on). To avoid ambiguity: that was a typo, and I meant "VM/370 'sixpack'". As background: it appears that IB

Re: [fpc-devel] Re: fpc-devel Digest, Vol 112, Issue 32

2013-08-23 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Steve wrote: If you really think that using gas is going to allow existing 386 family developers to write assembler for a 390 processor then I'm afraid you are in for a sever disappointment. Understanding the assembler is a minuscule part of the skill-set you will require. The newer opcodes do

Re: [fpc-devel] Re: fpc-devel Digest, Vol 112, Issue 32

2013-08-23 Thread Sven Barth
On 23.08.2013 19:44, Steve wrote: 2) If an existing FPC developer wants to get involved, it's not reasonable to expect him to have to work up the learning curve of MVS before he can actually run the target environment. Linux on Hercules is a no-brainer. Linux on Hercules is a no-brainer for Lin

Re: [fpc-devel] Re: fpc-devel Digest, Vol 112, Issue 32

2013-08-23 Thread Steve
On 23/08/13 09:57, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: 1) The slightly newer opcodes make the 390 look more like the canonical CPUs that most people are used to these days. Since any attempt to implement a port without the help (or at least tolerant supervision) of the core developers is doomed, I think tha

Re: [fpc-devel] fpc 2.6.2 gives AV on arm

2013-08-23 Thread Joost van der Sluis
On 08/15/2013 12:16 PM, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:45:38 +0200 Jonas Maebe wrote: On 15 Aug 2013, at 11:26, Mattias Gaertner wrote: On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:10:05 +0200 Florian Klämpfl wrote: Where did you get the CROSSOPT=-dFPC_ARMEL from? It is not needed at all. I

Re: [fpc-devel] Re: fpc-devel Digest, Vol 112, Issue 32

2013-08-23 Thread Mark Morgan Lloyd
Steve wrote: Most of this is just pussy footing around the issue. Forgive me if I misrepresent your position here but it seems that you maintain that the implmentation should use a modern instruction set because 1) it generates simpler assembler Yes. 2) it supports Linux and hence has lots