Am 17.07.2015 um 11:53 schrieb Sven Barth:
Modes are per-unit anyway. So even if the Generics.Collection would only in
this proposed mode you
would still be able to use it in other modes (at least if generics are
supported, e.g. for ISO
In ISO mode the uses keyword is turned off, so you
In our previous episode, Maciej Izak said:
Anyway during working on compiler if some language elements oxygene
flavored are not so complex and can be added ad hoc, IMO they should be
added.
I think you'll find the need for ARC or GC on every feature you implement.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:00 AM, Maciej Izak hnb.c...@gmail.com wrote:
New modern Pascal dialect is subject of this topic.
Is any way to get branch for new pascal dialect and for
generics.collections improvements? For me ObjFPC is too much conservative
and Delphi after XE2 version, really
Maciej Izak wrote:
2015-07-17 15:03 GMT+02:00 Marco van de Voort:
IMHO the whole point of generics.collections is that its usage is Delphi
compatible.
Not at all. Big part of interface is compatible. It's good designed. FPC
Generics.Collections implementation is very different and
If delphi has a unit called generics.collections and then we introduce a
unit with the same name, it should have the same interface and
functionality (except where not possible due to cross-platform concerns
etc).
Same interface and functionality is priority of the library. But it's not
In our previous episode, Maciej Izak said:
Do you mean your Generics.Collections would compile only with the new mode?
Sounds very bad to me.
Using the Generics.Collections does not impose the use of {$MODE GenPas}.
I am working on set of MODESWITCHs. As mentioned above in my previous
2015-07-17 15:03 GMT+02:00 Marco van de Voort:
IMHO the whole point of generics.collections is that its usage is Delphi
compatible.
Not at all. Big part of interface is compatible. It's good designed. FPC
Generics.Collections implementation is very different and extended.
Delphi
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Maciej Izak wrote:
New modern Pascal dialect is subject of this topic.
Is any way to get branch for new pascal dialect and for generics.collections
improvements? For me ObjFPC is too much conservative and Delphi after XE2
version, really sucks, so $MODE Delphi is not
New modern Pascal dialect is subject of this topic.
Is any way to get branch for new pascal dialect and for
generics.collections improvements? For me ObjFPC is too much conservative
and Delphi after XE2 version, really sucks, so $MODE Delphi is not option.
I think is good idea to discuss new
On 07/17/2015 09:00 AM, Maciej Izak wrote:
I think is good idea to discuss new dialect.
The Code-aware String implementation could be much better than as well
in Delphi as in fpc, but this only makes sense when the TStrings type
(and it's descendents) and the interface to many libraries are
2015-07-17 9:10 GMT+02:00 Michael Van Canneyt:
I think you better choose some more neutral name: GenPas or so.
IMO GenPas is good name.
You are free to do so, no-one will stop you. Your work will surely be
integrated.
But I advise against it: The Pascal community is splintered as it is:
In our previous episode, Maciej Izak said:
New modern Pascal dialect is subject of this topic.
Modern is a very vague term, and more a matter of taste.
Is any way to get branch for new pascal dialect and for
generics.collections improvements? For me ObjFPC is too much conservative
and
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Maciej Izak wrote:
2015-07-17 9:10 GMT+02:00 Michael Van Canneyt:
I think you better choose some more neutral name: GenPas or so.
IMO GenPas is good name.
I have my moments of inspiration ;)
You are free to do so, no-one will stop you. Your work will
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:09 PM, silvioprog silviop...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know if a new dialect would be widely accepted by all developers
(specially veteran pascal programmers), but if it could become things more
practical and more productive, I would be in favor of just {$ mode
Am 17.07.2015 um 09:36 schrieb Michael Van Canneyt:
On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Maciej Izak wrote:
2015-07-17 9:10 GMT+02:00 Michael Van Canneyt:
I think you better choose some more neutral name: GenPas or so.
IMO GenPas is good name.
I have my moments of inspiration ;)
You
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Maciej Izak hnb.c...@gmail.com wrote:
New modern Pascal dialect is subject of this topic.
Do you mean your Generics.Collections would compile only with the new mode?
Sounds very bad to me.
Juha
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Right, I will start from set of MODESWITCHs.
2015-07-17 9:59 GMT+02:00 Marco van de Voort:
Modern is a very vague term, and more a matter of taste.
But what does it actually prohibit ? Not agreeing with Delphi design
choices is as old as Delphi itself.
Subjective matter.
2015-07-17 11:33 GMT+02:00 Juha Manninen:
Do you mean your Generics.Collections would compile only with the new mode?
Sounds very bad to me.
Using the Generics.Collections does not impose the use of {$MODE GenPas}.
I am working on set of MODESWITCHs. As mentioned above in my previous e-mail
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Paul van Helden p...@planetgis.co.za
wrote:
The Oxygene dialect is absolutely beautiful in my opinion. Lots of things
in there that I've been wanting for decades and many stupid things dropped
completely. Silly example: var declarations when you need them like
2015-07-17 9:00 GMT+02:00 Maciej Izak hnb.c...@gmail.com:
New modern Pascal dialect is subject of this topic.
Btw. More 2009-XE2 compatibility level is minimum (best times for Delphi
language when Barry Kelly was on the Embarcadero board). This is start
point, and solid base to introducing new
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Maciej Izak hnb.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Proposed mode is not proposed as default pascal mode. You are safe :P. You
will be able to using classic pascal forever. So what is the problem?
Is it better to spend compiler-development time to such staff as improving
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Maciej Izak hnb.c...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-07-17 17:44 GMT+02:00 Paul van Helden
The world is looking for a new language. That is why we recently got
Google's Go and Apple's Swift. I believe a modern and clean dialect of
Object Pascal has a leg-up on both of
2015-07-17 19:32 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Boyarintsev skalogryz.li...@gmail.com:
What's the point of waiting FPC update then?
Isn't it better just to stop using FPC, convert the source code to Oxygen
and use Oxygene instead?
When all new syntax features are added to default pascal mode, I'll have
2015-07-17 17:44 GMT+02:00 Paul van Helden
Veteran Pascal programmer here...
I haven't really started using it yet, but I read through the whole
Oxygene documentation the other day. (Didn't take long ;-) )
The Oxygene dialect is absolutely beautiful in my opinion. Lots of things
in there
Am Friday 17 July 2015 21:23:58 schrieb Maciej Izak:
litle OT:
. When Barry Kelly left company, AFAIK somewhere after XE2 times
they hired NEW compiler team in Romania to cut costs...
Rudi and Nick are still active in the Newsgroups there so no hope is lost ;)
They will tell us all the time that
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