Re: Discussion of Acrobat & Reader Concurrent Installation (Was:Acrobat 9 - a disaster)

2010-07-25 Thread Mike Wickham
Dov, One of the first things I do after installation of Acrobat is to fix the system permissions and modify the "Standard" joboptions to much more rational settings. A few years back you had posted on the Adobe FrameMaker Forum an excellent slide presentation of a talk you gave about creatin

Open Framemaker-Mac-Files on Windows

2010-07-25 Thread Scott Turner
The simplistic solution is to purchase the same fonts for windows and migrate to FM 9. You can keep your Macs and use Parallels or VMWare Fusion. On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:31, "boenat at gedok.com" wrote: > Hi, there, > > we here were working as long as possible with our old Framemaker 7 on the >

Re: Acrobat 9 a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Alison White
Just to thanks all who replied to my post. I must've been having one of those Fridays, as part of the mystery is now solved. I am working on a windows machine running XPPro 2002 SP3. When installing Acrobat 9 (v.9.3.3-CPSID_83708), I removed all prior instances of Acrobat and Acrobat Reader as req

Frame on the Mac

2010-07-25 Thread Scott Turner
VMWare Fusion, it's a workstation. There are no equivalents in VMWare on the Mac for servers or players. On Jul 24, 2010, at 8:53, Steve Johnson wrote: > VMWare ... what? Player? Workstation? Server, etc? > >>

Re: Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Guy K. Haas
But, Dov--- I have both installed so that when a reviewer runs into a problem, I can "see it their way". The interfaces of the two are so different that it's sometimes handy to be able to do this. Would it be any less "NOT RECOMMENDED" if one had the Reader on a removable drive (such as a U

Re: Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Steve Johnson
You CAN have Reader and Acrobat at the same time. You CANNOT have two Acrobats; IOW, two PDF creators. On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: > Thanks, Dov! I was experiencing the same problem as Alison, insofar as > my browser would crash when I tried to look at a PDF in it (jus

Re: Open Framemaker-Mac-Files on Windows

2010-07-25 Thread Scott Turner
The simplistic solution is to purchase the same fonts for windows and migrate to FM 9. You can keep your Macs and use Parallels or VMWare Fusion. On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:31, "boe...@gedok.com" wrote: > Hi, there, > > we here were working as long as possible with our old Framemaker 7 on the > ma

Re: Frame on the Mac

2010-07-25 Thread Scott Turner
VMWare Fusion, it's a workstation. There are no equivalents in VMWare on the Mac for servers or players. On Jul 24, 2010, at 8:53, Steve Johnson wrote: > VMWare ... what? Player? Workstation? Server, etc? > >> ___ You are currently subscribed to f

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Steve Johnson
Show me in writing where Adobe says you should not install the same version of Reader and Acrobat on the same system. I cannot find it. It's not on the download page of either product, which is where it should be. All I can find is info saying you should not install two different versions of the sa

Re: Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Tori Muir
In terms of the ability to "see PDFs like they do," having Adobe Reader on the same system as Adobe Acrobat is not going to assist you. In terms of proper engineering and QA discipline, such testing should occur on a system that has only the operating system installed, no "extra fonts" installed

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Tori Muir
> In terms of the ability to "see PDFs like they do," having Adobe Reader > on the same system as Adobe Acrobat is not going to assist you. In terms > of proper engineering and QA discipline, such testing should occur on a > system that has only the operating system installed, no "extra fonts" > i

Re: Frame on the Mac

2010-07-25 Thread Tori Muir
Brag #2: my team use Frame 9 on Windoze XP on Intel Macs running Parallels (another virtual machine program like VMWare Fusion). Works flawlessly, although it does take a few minutes to boot up. But since it can boot up Windows in the background while doing other things on the Mac, it's not a

Frame on the Mac

2010-07-25 Thread Tori Muir
Brag #2: my team use Frame 9 on Windoze XP on Intel Macs running Parallels (another virtual machine program like VMWare Fusion). Works flawlessly, although it does take a few minutes to boot up. But since it can boot up Windows in the background while doing other things on the Mac, it's not a

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Steve Johnson
Since when? Is that by design or by accident? Doesn't installing Acrobat also install Reader? How many of my users have Acrobat installed? Of course I want Reader installed so I can see PDFs like they do. On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Dov Isaacs wrote: > Although you CAN have both Reader and

Re: Discussion of Acrobat & Reader Concurrent Installation (Was: Acrobat 9 - a disaster)

2010-07-25 Thread Alan T Litchfield
Sorry Dov,... :} Jeez you guys let up on the poor guy. Dov is not saying anything new. In fact these things have been the case for years. There are few people that have the experience that Dov has and take most old-timers word for it on this list, and others, you are well advised to take

Discussion of Acrobat & Reader Concurrent Installation (Was: Acrobat 9 - a disaster)

2010-07-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
Steve, I never said that "Adobe says you should not install the same version of Reader and Acrobat on the same system." That does not exist as an official recommendation from either Adobe Technical Support or from the Acrobat development organization. Having said that, as THE person within Adobe

Discussion of Acrobat & Reader Concurrent Installation (Was: Acrobat 9 - a disaster)

2010-07-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
Steve, I never said that "Adobe says you should not install the same version of Reader and Acrobat on the same system." That does not exist as an official recommendation from either Adobe Technical Support or from the Acrobat development organization. Having said that, as THE person within Adobe

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Art Campbell
Dov, Although this takes the thread off-topic a bit, is there any way to configure Reader to be a "portable" ap that runs from a thumb drive? I certainly don't disagree with your advice about not having Reader on an Acrobat system, but for many of us that isn't possible -- for example, if you wor

RE: Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
Guy, See previous responses. Yes, there are UI differences between Acrobat and Reader, but unless you are invoking rather complex Javascript routines that invoke functions that are allowed in Acrobat but not Reader, other than font issues (you should NEVER, repeat NEVER, repeat once again NEVER ge

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
Guy, See previous responses. Yes, there are UI differences between Acrobat and Reader, but unless you are invoking rather complex Javascript routines that invoke functions that are allowed in Acrobat but not Reader, other than font issues (you should NEVER, repeat NEVER, repeat once again NEVER ge

RE: Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
Art, Please see my the reply I just sent to a another response along the same line. I know of know of no way to make such a "portable app" for better or worse. I'm not saying there isn't, I'm just not aware of it. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.cam

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
Art, Please see my the reply I just sent to a another response along the same line. I know of know of no way to make such a "portable app" for better or worse. I'm not saying there isn't, I'm just not aware of it. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.cam

RE: Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
Installing Acrobat does NOT install Reader. Adobe Reader is a program that is a subset of Adobe Acrobat simply for displaying PDF files plus providing support for a number of other PDF file operations. Installing Adobe Acrobat installs a "viewer" (the program called "Acrobat") which is a superset

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
Installing Acrobat does NOT install Reader. Adobe Reader is a program that is a subset of Adobe Acrobat simply for displaying PDF files plus providing support for a number of other PDF file operations. Installing Adobe Acrobat installs a "viewer" (the program called "Acrobat") which is a superset

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Steve Johnson
You CAN have Reader and Acrobat at the same time. You CANNOT have two Acrobats; IOW, two PDF creators. On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: > Thanks, Dov! I was experiencing the same problem as Alison, insofar as > my browser would crash when I tried to look at a PDF in it (jus

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Alan T Litchfield
hmm yes. No point in complaining here. There are a few Adobe people but they would have interest mostly in FrameMaker, except Dov. I might also suggest you get in touch with Adobe Customer care if you have a corporate license. Oh and don't expect anyone here to forward your complaint for yo

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Guy K. Haas
But, Dov--- I have both installed so that when a reviewer runs into a problem, I can "see it their way". The interfaces of the two are so different that it's sometimes handy to be able to do this. Would it be any less "NOT RECOMMENDED" if one had the Reader on a removable drive (such as a USB

Re: Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Art Campbell
Dov, Although this takes the thread off-topic a bit, is there any way to configure Reader to be a "portable" ap that runs from a thumb drive? I certainly don't disagree with your advice about not having Reader on an Acrobat system, but for many of us that isn't possible -- for example, if you wor

RE: Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously (assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality to one's system. Having said that, I will add that having both Reader and Acrobat of

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously (assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality to one's system. Having said that, I will add that having both Reader and Acrobat of

RE: Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Fei Min Lorente
Thanks, Dov! I was experiencing the same problem as Alison, insofar as my browser would crash when I tried to look at a PDF in it (just clicking on a URL). We ended up working around it by setting the Acrobat internet preferences to not display PDF in browser. But now that you mention that you can'

Acrobat 9 - a disaster

2010-07-25 Thread Fei Min Lorente
Thanks, Dov! I was experiencing the same problem as Alison, insofar as my browser would crash when I tried to look at a PDF in it (just clicking on a URL). We ended up working around it by setting the Acrobat internet preferences to not display PDF in browser. But now that you mention that you can'

Re: Some/many 4/C .EPS ills. display slowly on page

2010-07-25 Thread Steve Johnson
With all the abbreviations, I'm not sure I even understand what you're trying to say. For example, does "apps & ills" mean that the illustrations are all located on your C: drive? What does "EPS 4/c" mean? Did you create these EPS files using one application? When you did so did you create them wi

Re: Frame on the Mac

2010-07-25 Thread Whites
On Jul 24, 2010, at 6:50 AM, Dr Rick Smith wrote: > In any case, let me ask how others are running PC versions of Frame on the > Mac. For a while I wondered why so many people still use Frame 7, but I > assume it's because lots of people still run it on a Mac. Not the case. I use Frame 7 on a

Re: Frame on the Mac

2010-07-25 Thread Steve Johnson
VMWare ... what? Player? Workstation? Server, etc? On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Dr Rick Smith wrote: > On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:31 AM, boe...@gedok.com wrote: > >> Hi, there, >> >> we here were working as long as possible with our old Framemaker 7 on the >> mac. Adobe got us on the wrong foot w