Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?

2018-04-17 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
I don't know if the suite is the best choice if you are trying to save money. First of all, if you get TCS, every time you upgrade it will probably cost more. (I doubt there is an option to only upgrade FM when you own TCS.) And since you don't really need to upgrade Acrobat, it should be much

Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?

2018-04-17 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Ask them to combine some short documents using single-sourcing features, and see how they do it, whether they use shared book, text insets, variables, etc. But I disagree that it's not important to have a good technical writer, and that it's more important to know FM well. You need both, and y

Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?

2018-04-17 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
FM templates are a bit difficult. You can be a very advanced user without that. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 058-763-7133 On 16-Apr-18 11:53 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: "What's your favorite thing about FrameMaker templates?" is a good question, since templates per se don't exist, and a

Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?

2018-04-17 Thread Lin Sims
That's WORD users who do that! (Finally back in the workforce, currently using Word because until yesterday I was a contractor, not an employee. Hoping they get me Frame soon, because Word is driving me right up a tree.) On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Art Campbell wrote: > Advanced FM users

Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?

2018-04-17 Thread Bernard Aschwanden
Lin: Consider making a list of why Word annoys you and share it with others internally or on the list here. For example: 1. Numbering a. Restarting and continuing lists b. Subordinate lists 4. Resetting numbering c. within lists d. between lists 5. Just get me FM As for Advanced U

Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?

2018-04-17 Thread Lise Bible
I don't think I've got any "advanced Frame" ideas to add, but Bernard, your Word list example made me chuckle. -Lise On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Bernard Aschwanden < bern...@publishingsmarter.com> wrote: > Lin: Consider making a list of why Word annoys you and share it with others > interna

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-17 Thread Böðvar Björgvinsson
I just tried to save a 200 page pdf to Word in Acrobat X Pro and almost all word spaces disappeared (10pt/14 Esprit font), so I had just one very long word for each line, more or less. Saving to rtf worked fine and I was able to spellcheck my Icelandic (not supported by FM yet) document in LibreOff

Re: [Framers] How do you identify an advanced Framemaker user?

2018-04-17 Thread Lin Sims
Made me chuckle, too. My latest grievance, however, was the way you can't tell where the cross-reference bookmarks are invisible by default and barely visible if you know how to fiddle the settings (I didn't), so when I moved some text in front of a heading, all the text got included in the cross

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-17 Thread Peter Gold
This reminds me of a story I heard back when edlin, an early text editor had been left in the dust by newer tools. Allegedly, an engineer wrote a 60-page document using edlin, since it was the only tool he knew then. It just proves that stick-to-it-ness has some value. As to one-word-per-line, hmm

[Framers] old FM files

2018-04-17 Thread Fred Wersan
I have some old FM files - probably 5.5 vintage - that I am trying to open in FM2015. Frame thinks they are text files. I have some other equally old files that it opens OK. Any suggestions for how to open old files that Frame is confused about? Fred -- *Fred Wersan* | Principal Technical Wr

Re: [Framers] old FM files

2018-04-17 Thread Art Campbell
There used to be an undocumented Force Open command, but I don't remember the keystrokes and couldn't find it in a quick Google If you have or can install any older versions than '15, try opening the files with those and saving them as MIF. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "..

Re: [Framers] old FM files

2018-04-17 Thread Peter Gold
Esc O H (open heroic) It might be possible to open (a copy of) the file in a binary editor and look at the header. There may be a file-designator that can be changed. On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Art Campbell wrote: > There used to be an undocumented Force Open command, but I don't remembe

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-17 Thread Böðvar Björgvinsson
Peter Gold, pdf-ed by printing book from FM 2013 to file, then distilling. In Acrobat Save as Word. My only guess is that this font is a bit more exaggerated serif than the standard Times (etc.) and the font size was only 10 pt. Also, it seemed to create a text frame on each page for the contents.

Re: [Framers] old FM files

2018-04-17 Thread Fred Ridder
That's because you're remembering it by the wrong name, Art. It's actually called *heroic* open, and it's invoked by an Escape-key sequence: Esc, o, H (Escape key, followed by lower-case O, followed by capital H). But I find it very hard to believe that Frame is mistaking a binary FM file (of

Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-17 Thread Mike Wickham
Bodvar, It might depend on whether the PDF was saved as tagged PDF or not. Mike Wickham On 4/17/2018 12:35 PM, Böðvar Björgvinsson wrote: Peter Gold, pdf-ed by printing book from FM 2013 to file, then distilling. In Acrobat Save as Word. My only guess is that this font is a bit more exaggerate