Re: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-21 Thread Robert Lauriston
I found ExtendScript unreliable. A build script that had been working fine for months stopped working one day and given the lack of documentation and support I gave up on it. I bought FrameScript and it seems solid. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Matt Sullivan wrote: > I've had 3 clients this

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-21 Thread Robert Lauriston
I found ExtendScript unreliable. A build script that had been working fine for months stopped working one day and given the lack of documentation and support I gave up on it. I bought FrameScript and it seems solid. On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Matt Sullivan wrote: > I've had 3 clients thi

Re: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-21 Thread Robert Lauriston
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Bill Swallow wrote: > I've not had an issue with messy HTML nor with controlling output file > nesting. How do you make RoboHelp not create a separate subdirectory in WebHelp output for each document in a FrameMaker book? Or you just don't care that it does that?

Re: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-21 Thread Robert Lauriston
How solid TCS is for single-sourcing depends on your requirements. FrameMaker is solid for PDF, and FrameMaker plus RoboHelp is solid for WebHelp and HTML Help, but it's bad for Word, wiki XHTML, wiki markup, or plain text. I use MIF2Go for those. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Bill Swallow wr

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-19 Thread Bill Swallow
I've not had an issue with messy HTML nor with controlling output file nesting. As for tools, I based my recommendation on familiarity and not on size of the Help. Since it's all FM source it really doesn't matter if tools change or not (you're only recrafting content mapping and template design),

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-19 Thread Robert Lauriston
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Bill Swallow wrote: > I've not had an issue with messy HTML nor with controlling output file > nesting. How do you make RoboHelp not create a separate subdirectory in WebHelp output for each document in a FrameMaker book? Or you just don't care that it does that

Re: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-19 Thread Bill Swallow
I've not had an issue with messy HTML nor with controlling output file nesting. As for tools, I based my recommendation on familiarity and not on size of the Help. Since it's all FM source it really doesn't matter if tools change or not (you're only recrafting content mapping and template design),

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-19 Thread Robert Lauriston
How solid TCS is for single-sourcing depends on your requirements. FrameMaker is solid for PDF, and FrameMaker plus RoboHelp is solid for WebHelp and HTML Help, but it's bad for Word, wiki XHTML, wiki markup, or plain text. I use MIF2Go for those. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Bill Swallow wr

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Bill Swallow
I've used both FM+WWeP and FM+RH via the TCS extensively. "Best" lies in many factors, but I can say with full confidence that both solutions are solid for single-sourcing with FM source content. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Writer wrote: > >I'm a big advocate for WWeP but since they indica

Re: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Robert Lauriston
RoboHelp's exported HTML is messy and I don't like the way it insists on putting topics from each document in a FrameMaker book in a separate directory in the generated help. It works OK for generating help from FrameMaker, but given that Laura has only one small project in RH, I would suggest usi

Re: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Robert Lauriston
Using the phrase "one of the 'keeper' releases" seems like agreeing with me that FM has gone downhill. FM steadily if slowly improved from 1998 to 2007 (5.5.6 to 8). Adobe completely screwed it up with version 9 (2009) and is still trying to recover lost ground as far as stability and usability. I

Re: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Bill Swallow
I've used both FM+WWeP and FM+RH via the TCS extensively. "Best" lies in many factors, but I can say with full confidence that both solutions are solid for single-sourcing with FM source content. On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Writer wrote: > >I'm a big advocate for WWeP but since they indica

Re: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Writer
>I'm a big advocate for WWeP but since they indicated they already use RH, the >TCS option was a best fit. It's A fit. Not sure I'd say "best". Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fra

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Writer
>I'm a big advocate for WWeP but since they indicated they already use RH, the >TCS option was a best fit. It's A fit. Not sure I'd say "best". Nadine

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Bill Swallow
I'm a big advocate for WWeP but since they indicated they already use RH, the TCS option was a best fit. On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Writer wrote: > Bill said: > > >Well, you say you have FM experience already, and that you do only a > little bit of help authoring. But, you'd need the Adob

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Robert Lauriston
RoboHelp's exported HTML is messy and I don't like the way it insists on putting topics from each document in a FrameMaker book in a separate directory in the generated help. It works OK for generating help from FrameMaker, but given that Laura has only one small project in RH, I would suggest usi

Re: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Bill Swallow
I'm a big advocate for WWeP but since they indicated they already use RH, the TCS option was a best fit. On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Writer wrote: > Bill said: > > >Well, you say you have FM experience already, and that you do only a > little bit of help authoring. But, you'd need the Adob

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Art Campbell
I'd second all of Robert's comments except the last one about FM going downhill. FM 11 is solid, fast, and enhances or adds important new or missing features. It's likely to be one of the "keeper" releases. But if you are a small shop that does mostly online help or other online deliverables, Fla

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Robert Lauriston
Using the phrase "one of the 'keeper' releases" seems like agreeing with me that FM has gone downhill. FM steadily if slowly improved from 1998 to 2007 (5.5.6 to 8). Adobe completely screwed it up with version 9 (2009) and is still trying to recover lost ground as far as stability and usability. I

Re: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Art Campbell
I'd second all of Robert's comments except the last one about FM going downhill. FM 11 is solid, fast, and enhances or adds important new or missing features. It's likely to be one of the "keeper" releases. But if you are a small shop that does mostly online help or other online deliverables, Fla

Re: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker's stronger for PDF. RoboHelp works fine for generating help from FrameMaker files though I prefer MIF2Go as it's more flexible. Flare's help search engine is weak or at least was up to 7.1. I don't much care for the way it forces you to put each topic in a separate file. FrameMaker has

RE: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-18 Thread Keith Soltys
files to generate help. Regards Keith > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of la...@lavadome.net > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:43 AM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-17 Thread Keith Soltys
files to generate help. Regards Keith > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of laura at lavadome.net > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:43 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com &

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-17 Thread Bill Swallow
Well, you say you have FM experience already, and that you do only a little bit of help authoring. But, you'd need the Adobe Technical Communication suite to get an interconnected seat of both FM and RH for any single-sourced help authoring. On the flip side, Flare will give you everything you need

Re: Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-17 Thread Writer
Bill said: >Well, you say you have FM experience already, and that you do only a little >bit of help authoring. But, you'd need the Adobe Technical Communication suite >to get an interconnected seat of both FM and RH for any single-sourced help >authoring.  Only if you want to stick with a pur

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-17 Thread Writer
Bill said: >Well, you say you have FM experience already, and that you do only a little >bit of help authoring. But, you'd need the Adobe Technical Communication suite >to get an interconnected seat of both FM and RH for any single-sourced help >authoring.? Only if you want to stick with a pur

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-17 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker's stronger for PDF. RoboHelp works fine for generating help from FrameMaker files though I prefer MIF2Go as it's more flexible. Flare's help search engine is weak or at least was up to 7.1. I don't much care for the way it forces you to put each topic in a separate file. FrameMaker has

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-17 Thread la...@lavadome.net
Hi all We are a small tech pubs department (2 of us) who currently use Word for our documentation. We mainly publish to PDF, but use RoboHelp for a very small help system. Ideally we?d like to use single-sourcing as much as possible moving forward, and add more online help to our documen

Madcap Flare vs Framemaker

2012-12-17 Thread laura
Hi all We are a small tech pubs department (2 of us) who currently use Word for our documentation. We mainly publish to PDF, but use RoboHelp for a very small help system. Ideally we’d like to use single-sourcing as much as possible moving forward, and add more online help to our documentatio