RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-17 Thread Niels Fanøe
I appreciate that some you are afraid that the US will lose jobs to India and such countries. But take a bigger perspective on this, will you? If India (et.al.) are not involved with Western technology - if they don't get any hi-tech jobs and industries - how are they ever going to be able to

RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-17 Thread Niels Fanøe
Niels: - how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for - that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our - wealth (and - jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long - run. John: - Niels...a point from both sides... - - - If you can't

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-17 Thread Niels Fanøe
I appreciate that some you are afraid that the US will lose jobs to India and such countries. But take a bigger perspective on this, will you? If India (et.al.) are not involved with "Western" technology - if they don't get any hi-tech jobs and industries - how are they ever going to be able to

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-17 Thread John Posada
> how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for > that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our wealth (and > jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long > run. Niels...a point from both sides... - If you can't get through the short run, the

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-17 Thread Niels Fanøe
Niels: -> > how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for -> > that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our -> wealth (and -> > jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long -> > run. John: -> Niels...a point from both sides... -> -> - If

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread Gillian Flato
Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value. From a business standpoint, sure, it's

RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread Anne Robotti
Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it. Anne

RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread Laura_J_Kirk
Yes but the companies are not strictly accountable to the consumer, but rather to the shareholders. And shareholders rarely complain about greater profits. ljk ___ Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on

RE: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread Fetzner, Bill
Bureeda opines: And I agree that I don't see a lot of profits passed on to consumers (refer to your local gas pump for more info). To me this gets us back to the original proposition, that the loss of jobs can be compensated by an increase in value. Not always of course, as one or more others

Re: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread Bill Swallow
Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, sure, but what about us writers? We won't be very appreciative of the trick if we're reduced to slinging hash at McDonalds. And if it reduces us to fry cooks, you'd be hard pressed to convince us it *isn't* an evil. I argue that if you are

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread Gillian Flato
>>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value.

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread Doug
>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as > other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be > met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay > regions, but how to deliver greater value. Greater value? To whom? The

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread John Posada
> I did a contract at a company that had outsourced its > Tech Writing to India but after seeing how poorly the > Indians wrote English, they brought TW back to America. ... > > So I don't think it is such a great thing. To come to the conclusion that from hearing about ones that didn't work,

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread Anne Robotti
> Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it. Anne

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread laura_j_k...@bd.com
Yes but the companies are not strictly accountable to "the consumer," but rather to "the shareholders." And shareholders rarely complain about greater profits. ljk ___ Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before.

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread Bureeda Bruner
Subject: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8? >>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions, but how to deliver greater value.

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread Fetzner, Bill
Bureeda opines: <> To me this gets us back to the original proposition, that the loss of jobs can be compensated by an increase in value. Not always of course, as one or more others argue, but in a thriving economy (like the one we're now witnessing in our "off-shoring" society), that's more

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread Bill Swallow
> From a business standpoint, sure, it's about value but is there really > value in outsourcing, or is it just cheaper? Talent is talent. It all depends on what you need. If you can get what you need cheaper and without hassle, generally that route wins. > I did a contract at a company that had

Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?

2006-05-16 Thread Bill Swallow
> Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, sure, but what about > us writers? We won't be very appreciative of the "trick" if we're > reduced to slinging hash at McDonalds. And if it reduces us to fry > cooks, you'd be hard pressed to convince us it *isn't* an evil. I argue that if you