I appreciate that some you are afraid that the US will lose jobs to India and
such countries. But take a bigger perspective on this, will you? If India
(et.al.) are not involved with Western technology - if they don't get any
hi-tech jobs and industries - how are they ever going to be able to
: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Diane,
Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very
quietly, the FM development department is still (in exile?) in
India.
Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back
to Adobe HQ?
Art
On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill [EMAIL
: Framers
Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
According to the developer who gave me the info, this
is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some
communications problems within Adobe.
The communication problem is not within Adobe...the problems is
between the two of you and your
On 16 May 2006, at 14:42, David Creamer wrote:
Acrobat 8 is supposed to be out by the end of the year. I would
imagine it
will support importing/imbedding of Flash files.
My inside Adobe source tells me that it will be Acrobat 9 that will
have full integration with Flash because Adobe and
Dieter,
You wrote:
Seen from multi-language publishing point of view the recent update
FM 7.2p158 is the most important one for the last years
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332
If a company wants to stick to FrameMaker for the next years and produces
documentation
Niels:
- how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for
- that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our
- wealth (and
- jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long
- run.
John:
- Niels...a point from both sides...
-
- - If you can't
I appreciate that some you are afraid that the US will lose jobs to India and
such countries. But take a bigger perspective on this, will you? If India
(et.al.) are not involved with "Western" technology - if they don't get any
hi-tech jobs and industries - how are they ever going to be able to
Bingo! Well, one insider, anyway.
Diane
-Original Message-
From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:27 AM
To: Diane Gaskill
Cc: Max Dunn; Framers
Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Sounds like the communication problem is that insiders
: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Diane,
Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very
quietly, the FM development "department" is still (in exile?) in
India.
Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back
to Adobe HQ?
Art
On 5/16/06, Dia
Cc: Framers
Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
> According to the developer who gave me the info, this
> is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some
> communications problems within Adobe.
The communication problem is not within Adobe...the problems is
between the t
On 16 May 2006, at 14:42, David Creamer wrote:
> Acrobat 8 is supposed to be out by the end of the year. I would
> imagine it
> will support importing/imbedding of Flash files.
My inside Adobe source tells me that it will be Acrobat 9 that will
have full integration with Flash because Adobe
Dieter,
You wrote:
>Seen from multi-language publishing point of view the recent update
>FM 7.2p158 is the most important one for the last years
>http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3332
>If a company wants to stick to FrameMaker for the next years and produces
> how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for
> that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our wealth (and
> jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long
> run.
Niels...a point from both sides...
- If you can't get through the short run, the
Niels:
-> > how are they ever going to be able to buy American (or Danish, for
-> > that matter) products and services? Only by sharing our
-> wealth (and
-> > jobs - even if it hurts) can we all survive and thrive in the long
-> > run.
John:
-> Niels...a point from both sides...
->
-> - If
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:44 AM
To: Alan Houser; Diane Gaskill
Cc: framers@frameusers.com; Neil Tubb
Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Diane Gaskill obviously does NOT have a reliable source
inside Adobe.
- Dov
Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to
see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe
FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course.
The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle
-
From: lists.frameusers.com
On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:37 AM
To: Diane Gaskill
Cc: framers@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Diane,
Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very
quietly, the FM development
.
Diane
==
-Original Message-
From: Max Dunn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:21 AM
To: 'Diane Gaskill'
Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I know for a fact this is incorrect. Shouldn't spread this sort of rumor...
Max
-Original Message
Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, those
jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- the cost
of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker elsewhere. On the
other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas,
According to the developer who gave me the info, this
is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some
communications problems within Adobe.
The communication problem is not within Adobe...the problems is
between the two of you and your contacts, none of which speak for
Adobe. Adobe has
Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug
hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand
I know of multiple specific instances of where outsourced projects
were brought back and domestic developers were added back.
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
So
Sounds like the communication problem is that insiders are leaking you
unofficial information... Yikes!!!
On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm.
It sounds like there are some communications problems within
Not entirely correct re: outsourcing.
There are many examples of companies cancelling their outsourced labor
and bringing the work back into their home offices (I haven't the time
or desire to cite, but there have been several articles in trade
magazines over the past few months that attest to
: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 10:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Not entirely correct re: outsourcing.
There are many examples of companies cancelling their outsourced labor
and bringing the work back into their home offices (I haven't the time
or desire
Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps,
I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are
necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some
pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it.
Anne
Yes but the companies are not strictly accountable to the consumer, but
rather to the shareholders. And shareholders rarely complain about
greater profits.
ljk
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Bureeda opines: And I agree that I don't see a lot of profits passed on to
consumers (refer to your local gas pump for more info).
To me this gets us back to the original proposition, that the loss of jobs
can be compensated by an increase in value. Not always of course, as one or
more others
Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, sure, but what about
us writers? We won't be very appreciative of the trick if we're
reduced to slinging hash at McDonalds. And if it reduces us to fry
cooks, you'd be hard pressed to convince us it *isn't* an evil.
I argue that if you are
ramers-bounces+dgust=itl.de at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+dgust=itl.de at lists.frameusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Dov Isaacs
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:44 AM
> To: Alan Houser; Diane Gaskill
> Cc: framers at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb
> Subject: RE: Relea
> Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be surprised to
> see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of months. (I believe
> FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005). Pleasantly surprised, of course.
>
> The Creative Suite is somewhat closer to the end of an 18 month cycle
>
some better input filters. But that's a different
topic.
Diane
-Original Message-
From: Alan Houser [mailto:a...@groupwellesley.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:51 AM
To: Diane Gaskill
Cc: Neil Tubb; framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Given Adobe's
at frameusers.com; Neil Tubb
Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Alan,
I agree with you, but the person is in the Adobe dev dept. and I'd
expect that they would have a pretty good idea about rel dates. But as
you say, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.
Either way, what I have now does
That would be the FrameMaker User's Forum on the Adobe site...
7.x/8.x Feature requests...
On 5/16/06, Diana Stock wrote:
> I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish
> List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? I would
> love to suggest ideas to
Diane,
Unless they moved it partially or entirely back to California, very
quietly, the FM development "department" is still (in exile?) in
India.
Did your source say anything about the engineering effort coming back
to Adobe HQ?
Art
On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:
> Alan,
>
> I agree with
adobeforums.com has a list.
On 5/16/06, Diana Stock wrote:
> I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish
> List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site? I would
> love to suggest ideas to incorporate Flash with
> FrameMaker.(ie,FlashPaper retaining
ginal Message-
> From: lists.frameusers.com
> On Behalf Of Art Campbell
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:37 AM
> To: Diane Gaskill
> Cc: framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
>
> Diane,
>
> Unless they moved it partially or entirely
.
Diane
==
-Original Message-
From: Max Dunn [mailto:maxd...@siliconpublishing.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:21 AM
To: 'Diane Gaskill'
Subject: RE: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
I know for a fact this is incorrect. Shouldn't spread this sort of rumor...
Max
-Original
Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug hits, those
jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand Adobe's reasoning -- the cost
of a worker in the U.S or Canada is much higher than a worker elsewhere. On the
other hand, that's one more job that's gone overseas,
> According to the developer who gave me the info, this
> is not a rumor. Hmmm. It sounds like there are some
> communications problems within Adobe.
The communication problem is not within Adobe...the problems is
between the two of you and your contacts, none of which speak for
Adobe. Adobe
> Don't expect Adobe to bring back any jobs. Once the outsourcing bug
> hits, those jobs are lost forever. On one hand, I understand
I know of multiple specific instances of where outsourced projects
were brought back and domestic developers were added back.
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
Sounds like the communication problem is that insiders are leaking you
unofficial information... Yikes!!!
On 5/16/06, Diane Gaskill wrote:
> According to the developer who gave me the info, this is not a rumor. Hmmm.
> It sounds like there are some communications problems within Adobe. At this
Not entirely correct re: outsourcing.
There are many examples of companies cancelling their outsourced labor
and bringing the work back into their home offices (I haven't the time
or desire to cite, but there have been several articles in trade
magazines over the past few months that attest to
>>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as
other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be
met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay
regions, but how to deliver greater value.
>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as
> other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be
> met, as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay
> regions, but how to deliver greater value.
Greater value? To whom? The
> I did a contract at a company that had outsourced its
> Tech Writing to India but after seeing how poorly the
> Indians wrote English, they brought TW back to America.
...
>
> So I don't think it is such a great thing.
To come to the conclusion that from hearing about ones that didn't
work,
> Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps,
I don't think the companies that are saving money by outsourcing are
necessarily passing on the savings to the consumer. I'd have to see some
pretty firm research on that before I'd believe it.
Anne
Yes but the companies are not strictly accountable to "the consumer," but
rather to "the shareholders." And shareholders rarely complain about
greater profits.
ljk
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Subject: Outsourcing: Was Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
>>Outsourcing is not an evil. It's evolution, and was bound to happen as
other countries break into the tech sphere. Balance will eventually be met,
as with anything. The trick is not how to keep jobs in higher-pay regions,
but how to deliver greater value.
Bureeda opines: <>
To me this gets us back to the original proposition, that the loss of jobs
can be compensated by an increase in value. Not always of course, as one or
more others argue, but in a thriving economy (like the one we're now
witnessing in our "off-shoring" society), that's more
> From a business standpoint, sure, it's about value but is there really
> value in outsourcing, or is it just cheaper?
Talent is talent. It all depends on what you need. If you can get what
you need cheaper and without hassle, generally that route wins.
> I did a contract at a company that had
> Greater value? To whom? The consumer, perhaps, sure, but what about
> us writers? We won't be very appreciative of the "trick" if we're
> reduced to slinging hash at McDonalds. And if it reduces us to fry
> cooks, you'd be hard pressed to convince us it *isn't* an evil.
I argue that if you
>> I thought I read sometime ago within the list, that Adobe had a 'Wish
>> List' somewhere to post requests? Is there really such a site?
http://www.adobe.com/support/feature.html
Mike Wickham
I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within a
couple of months.
Diane
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Subject: Release Date
What else did your reliable source tell you?
I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within
a
couple of months.
Diane
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Hi all,
Anyone have
: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Hi all,
Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of
FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1
(ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know
What else did your reliable source tell you?
> I've heard from a reliable source inside Adobe that it could be out within
> a
> couple of months.
>
> Diane
m]On
> Behalf Of Neil Tubb
> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:01 PM
> To: framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of
> FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss
com; Neil Tubb
> Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
>
> Given Adobe's historical 18-month release cycle, I would be
> surprised to see a new FrameMaker release within a couple of
> months. (I believe FrameMaker 7.2 shipped in September 2005).
> Pleasantly surprised, of cour
Given that the point releases have been a year or two or longer apart,
I think you're pretty safe.
Also, Adobe as a company is very good about making good when customers
upgrade to a release that is superseded by a newer one.
Art
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Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Given that the point releases have been a year or two or longer apart,
I think you're pretty safe.
Also, Adobe as a company is very good about
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Hi all,
Anyone have a clue as to Adobe's plans for the next major release of
FrameMaker? I'm trying to convince my boss to upgrade us to 7.2 from 7.1
(ooohh...multiple undos!), but he wants to know first if a major upgrade
is around the corner. Any insight here would be greatly appreciated.
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Of Art Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:14 PM
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Subject: Re: Release Date for FrameMaker 8?
Given that the point releases have been a year or two
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