What MIF wash actually does is simply ignore any garbage in the file. MIF is
pretty much a text representation of the binary format. But MIF interpretation
is loose, so if there's any garbage in there, saving as MIF *might* write the
garbage out, but it will certainly not read it. In this
Hello,
I suspect the effect that you may be observing is Microsoft's handling
of some multibyte characters, where they get mutated to the Unicode
replacement character '�' U+FFFD - which appears to happen very often
when content is imported or pasted into FrameMaker from Microsoft word.
The
At 00:44 -0800 10/12/12, Chris Despopoulos wrote:
Second, this problem apparently occurred by opening Word in Maker???
Something like that. There are many problems with Word to Maker. You should
not copy directly from Word into Maker... Especially tables. If you copy a
table,
I did not
On 10/12/2012 3:44 AM, Chris Despopoulos wrote:
What MIF wash actually does is simply ignore any garbage in the file.
MIF is pretty much a text representation of the binary format. But MIF
interpretation is loose, so if there's any garbage in there, saving as
MIF *might* write the garbage out,
At 11:01 -0500 10/12/12, Stuart Rogers wrote:
Sounds like you might be able to identify the mystery character by opening the
Word/RTF source file in a hex editor. It would satisfy curiosity, if nothing
else!
Great idea if I *had* a hex editor ;-)
--
Steve
On 10/12/2012 11:10 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
At 11:01 -0500 10/12/12, Stuart Rogers wrote:
Sounds like you might be able to identify the mystery character by opening the
Word/RTF source file in a hex editor. It would satisfy curiosity, if nothing
else!
Great idea if I *had* a hex editor
Here's a good free Hex editor:
http://frhed.sourceforge.net/en/
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
On 10-Dec-12 6:10 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
At 11:01 -0500 10/12/12, Stuart Rogers wrote:
Sounds like you might be able to identify the mystery character by opening the
Thanks guys but I'm on a Mac. Ok, ok, I do *have* a Windoze box, I just hate
using it
Will report back on mystery character when I get time.
--
Steve
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What MIF wash actually does is simply ignore any garbage in the file.? MIF is
pretty much a text representation of the binary format.? But MIF interpretation
is loose, so if there's any garbage in there, saving as MIF *might* write the
garbage out, but it will certainly not read it.? In this
Hello,
I suspect the effect that you may be observing is Microsoft's handling
of some multibyte characters, where they get mutated to the Unicode
replacement character '?' U+FFFD - which appears to happen very often
when content is imported or pasted into FrameMaker from Microsoft word.
The
At 00:44 -0800 10/12/12, Chris Despopoulos wrote:
>Second, this problem apparently occurred by opening Word in Maker???
>Something like that. There are many problems with Word to Maker. You should
>not copy directly from Word into Maker... Especially tables. If you copy a
>table,
I did
On 10/12/2012 3:44 AM, Chris Despopoulos wrote:
> What MIF wash actually does is simply ignore any garbage in the file.
> MIF is pretty much a text representation of the binary format. But MIF
> interpretation is loose, so if there's any garbage in there, saving as
> MIF *might* write the garbage
At 11:01 -0500 10/12/12, Stuart Rogers wrote:
>Sounds like you might be able to identify the mystery character by opening the
>Word/RTF source file in a hex editor. It would satisfy curiosity, if nothing
>else!
Great idea if I *had* a hex editor ;-)
--
Steve
On 10/12/2012 11:10 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
> At 11:01 -0500 10/12/12, Stuart Rogers wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you might be able to identify the mystery character by opening
>> the Word/RTF source file in a hex editor. It would satisfy curiosity, if
>> nothing else!
>
> Great idea if I *had* a
Here's a good free Hex editor:
http://frhed.sourceforge.net/en/
Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133
On 10-Dec-12 6:10 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
> At 11:01 -0500 10/12/12, Stuart Rogers wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you might be able to identify the mystery character by opening
>> the
Thanks guys but I'm on a Mac. Ok, ok, I do *have* a Windoze box, I just hate
using it
Will report back on mystery character when I get time.
--
Steve
At 09:24 + 8/12/12, Steve Rickaby wrote:
Plain old MIF-ing fixes it.
This is interesting, as it provided a specific example of an invisible (to the
eye) problem that MIF-washing fixes.
To recap, I had a large table whose first column contained entries of the form
'[]', where ''
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 12:52:59 +, Steve Rickaby
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:
Clearly one of the things that FrameMaker does when parsing
MIF is to spot adjacent strings like this and concatenate
them. Useful to know. Why the text came out of Word like
this is another question
At 09:24 + 8/12/12, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>Plain old MIF-ing fixes it.
This is interesting, as it provided a specific example of an invisible (to the
eye) problem that MIF-washing fixes.
To recap, I had a large table whose first column contained entries of the form
'[]', where ''
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 12:52:59 +, Steve Rickaby
wrote:
>Clearly one of the things that FrameMaker does when parsing
>MIF is to spot adjacent strings like this and concatenate
>them. Useful to know. Why the text came out of Word like
>this is another question altogether. But with Word, who
Thanks Art, Stuart, for good ideas. Why didn't I think of just MIF-ing it?
I will try both methods and report back. Meanwhile, I'm pretty well advanced in
manually massaging the MIF (he wrote alliteratively), using a macro in a text
editor. The fact that the problem is signalled by the line
At 08:56 + 8/12/12, Steve Rickaby wrote:
I will try both methods and report back. Meanwhile, I'm pretty well advanced
in manually massaging the MIF (he wrote alliteratively), using a macro in a
text editor. The fact that the problem is signalled by the line 'String `[''
makes this
Thanks Art, Stuart, for good ideas. Why didn't I think of just MIF-ing it?
I will try both methods and report back. Meanwhile, I'm pretty well advanced in
manually massaging the MIF (he wrote alliteratively), using a macro in a text
editor. The fact that the problem is signalled by the line ''
At 08:56 + 8/12/12, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>I will try both methods and report back. Meanwhile, I'm pretty well advanced
>in manually massaging the MIF (he wrote alliteratively), using a macro in a
>text editor. The fact that the problem is signalled by the line ''
>makes this possible.
Title says it all. Material sourced from Word (groan): I suspect gremlin
characters are messing up sort.
I need to alpha-sort some 60 pp. Each entry starts with '[ref]' in left column,
where 'ref' is the reference marker. When sorted on col 1, the results aren't
alpha. Some sorting has taken
Sounds like you have hidden tabs at the start of the lines that won't sort
properly. Hidden tabs are common when importing from word.
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Cell: 951-202-0813
On Dec 7, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
wrote:
Title says it all. Material sourced
At 09:05 -0500 7/12/12, John Sgammato wrote:
Before fixing it - are you certain that the invisible character does not
contain information that you will need someday?
Yes, absolutely sure. But you make a good point.
For example, maybe those rows belong together? Somehow the gremlin character
On 07/12/2012 8:58 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
Title says it all. Material sourced from Word (groan): I suspect
gremlin characters are messing up sort.
I need to alpha-sort some 60 pp. Each entry starts with '[ref]' in
left column, where 'ref' is the reference marker. When sorted on col
1, the
The first thing you should do with any imported or copied Word content is
MIFwash it -- save the Frame file out as MIF, open that, and save as a ,FM
in order to clean all the weird Word characters out.
Try that and see if it helps.
Art Campbell
art.campb...@gmail.com
... In my
Before fixing it - are you certain that the invisible character does not
contain information that you will need someday? For example, maybe those
rows belong together? Somehow the gremlin character got there, and it may
not have been unintentional.
If you know they are indeed spurious, then maybe
Title says it all. Material sourced from Word (groan): I suspect gremlin
characters are messing up sort.
I need to alpha-sort some 60 pp. Each entry starts with '[ref]' in left column,
where 'ref' is the reference marker. When sorted on col 1, the results aren't
alpha. Some sorting has taken
Sounds like you have hidden tabs at the start of the lines that won't sort
properly. Hidden tabs are common when importing from word.
Sent from my iPad
Cell: 951-202-0813
On Dec 7, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Steve Rickaby
wrote:
> Title says it all. Material sourced from Word (groan): I suspect
At 09:05 -0500 7/12/12, John Sgammato wrote:
>Before "fixing" it - are you certain that the invisible character does not
>contain information that you will need someday?
Yes, absolutely sure. But you make a good point.
> For example, maybe those rows belong together? Somehow the gremlin
At 06:15 -0800 7/12/12, Sharon Burton wrote:
>Sounds like you have hidden tabs at the start of the lines that won't sort
>properly. Hidden tabs are common when importing from word.
By 'hidden tab', do you mean a tab that wouldn't show up as a tab in Frame?
--
Steve
On 07/12/2012 8:58 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
> Title says it all. Material sourced from Word (groan): I suspect
> gremlin characters are messing up sort.
>
> I need to alpha-sort some 60 pp. Each entry starts with '[ref]' in
> left column, where 'ref' is the reference marker. When sorted on col
>
The first thing you should do with any imported or copied Word content is
MIFwash it -- save the Frame file out as MIF, open that, and save as a ,FM
in order to clean all the weird Word characters out.
Try that and see if it helps.
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
"... In my
Before "fixing" it - are you certain that the invisible character does not
contain information that you will need someday? For example, maybe those
rows belong together? Somehow the gremlin character got there, and it may
not have been unintentional.
If you know they are indeed spurious, then
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