Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened

I was lazy and didn't want to reinvent the wheel, so I took DOCBOOK and modified the EDD to make it format the way we wanted. Of course with heading resetting the numbering system I wanted an automatic way to apply the heading formats without reverting to manually setting attributes. I accompli

Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened

I was lazy and didn't want to reinvent the wheel, so I took DOCBOOK and modified the EDD to make it format the way we wanted. Of course with heading resetting the numbering system I wanted an automatic way to apply the heading formats without reverting to manually setting attributes. I accompl

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

Subject: Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats No, in some cases I use maps in RoboHelp or MIF2Go, in others I use text insets in files with different definitions of the paragraph tags. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Craig Ede wrote: > You can change

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

Subject: Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats No, in some cases I use maps in RoboHelp or MIF2Go, in others I use text insets in files with different definitions of the paragraph tags. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Craig Ede wrote: > You can change

Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

No, in some cases I use maps in RoboHelp or MIF2Go, in others I use text insets in files with different definitions of the paragraph tags. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Craig Ede wrote: > You can change the paragraph formats by importing templates with different > formats without using structu

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

No, in some cases I use maps in RoboHelp or MIF2Go, in others I use text insets in files with different definitions of the paragraph tags. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Craig Ede wrote: > You can change the paragraph formats by importing templates with different > formats without using structu

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:14 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats You don't need to use structured FM for that. My paragraph tags map to

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

unces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:14 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats You don't need to use structured FM for that. My paragraph t

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

585-283-5045 rick at frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Wersan Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:29 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Unstructured to Structured: Qu

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

I think the answer to your question is somewhere between No and It Depends, but closer to No. It gets back to the structure vs. display issue. FrameMaker tries to give you both the XML world and the WYSIWYG world in one package. A more typical XML editor (like the new XML view in Frame 11) is j

Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

I think the answer to your question is somewhere between No and It Depends, but closer to No. It gets back to the structure vs. display issue. FrameMaker tries to give you both the XML world and the WYSIWYG world in one package. A more typical XML editor (like the new XML view in Frame 11) is j

Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

You don't need to use structured FM for that. My paragraph tags map to different formats / tags depending on whether the output is PDF, Web help, Confluence XHTML, or 7-bit ASCII with layout. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Fred Wersan wrote: > A previous respondent said: " > > The idea with st

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

nc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Wersan Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:29 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Unstructured to Structured: Questio

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

5 rick at frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Wersan Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:29 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question a

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

5045 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Wersan Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 1:29 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

Just my two cents on this. There is no right answer. Depends where you want the control to be and maybe your philosophical approach - as in "no formatting in the EDD". When I went structured, it was an opportunity to reduce paragraph format bloat. I analyzed what I needed, pared down the paragr

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

You don't need to use structured FM for that. My paragraph tags map to different formats / tags depending on whether the output is PDF, Web help, Confluence XHTML, or 7-bit ASCII with layout. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Fred Wersan wrote: > A previous respondent said: " > > The idea with st

Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining, paragraph formats

Just my two cents on this. There is no right answer. Depends where you want the control to be and maybe your philosophical approach - as in "no formatting in the EDD". When I went structured, it was an opportunity to reduce paragraph format bloat. I analyzed what I needed, pared down the para

Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened

Also .. it wasn't clear to me (I may have missed it) if these "structured" files are sourced as XML or FM binaries. If structured FM binaries, local (non-EDD) formatting will generally stick around, but can revert to the EDD-defined formats under certain situations. Personally, I find that the

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened

Also .. it wasn't clear to me (I may have missed it) if these "structured" files are sourced as XML or FM binaries. If structured FM binaries, local (non-EDD) formatting will generally stick around, but can revert to the EDD-defined formats under certain situations. Personally, I find that the

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened

I thought the idea was to format via the EDD, only.  Users should never just apply pgf formatting, because it will get lost (as you describe).  Structure demands template dictatorship on steroids...  Or rather, it imposes it.  To add new pgf formats, and to set up users to apply them, you would

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened

I thought the idea was to format via the EDD, only.? Users should never just apply pgf formatting, because it will get lost (as you describe).? Structure demands template dictatorship on steroids...? Or rather, it imposes it.? To add new pgf formats, and to set up users to apply them, you would

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened

eusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened Hello Again All, The project that I was working on below (created structured templates and EDD for use to convert unstructured to structured Frame) is now in the hands of the end users. They are

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened

eusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened Hello Again All, The project that I was working on below (created structured templates and EDD for use to convert unstructured to structured Frame) is now in the hands of the end users

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened

an start to look? Thanks in advance! Lisa From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: 07 04, 2012 10:59 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened

an start to look? Thanks in advance! Lisa From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: 07 04, 2012 10:59 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragra

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats SOLVED

-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:24 AM To: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Rick, I unwrapped a few para elements and then imp

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats SOLVED

es at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: 07 03, 2012 8:24 AM To: Rick Quatro; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Rick, I unwrapped a few para elements and

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

3, 2012 2:24 PM > *To:* Rick Quatro > *Cc:* framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com; > 'Lisa Freeman' > *Subject:* RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining > paragraph formats > > ** ** > > Yup, that&#x

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

Yup, that's "our" Rick -- contributing to the list as if nothing ever happened. Way to go, and welcome back! --Lynn From: "Rick Quatro" To: "'Lisa Freeman'" , Date: 07/03/2012 05:16 AM Subject: RE: Unstructured to St

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

12 AM To: Lisa Freeman; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Lisa, Try this: after you wrap a few elements, choose File > Import > Element Definitions. Check the Format Rule Overrides checkbox and click Import.

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

I may put a picture of my chest in my signature. From: Lynn Gold [mailto:lg...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 2:24 PM To: Rick Quatro Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com; 'Lisa Freeman' Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Ques

Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

3, 2012 2:24 PM > *To:* Rick Quatro > *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com; framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com; > 'Lisa Freeman' > *Subject:* RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining > paragraph formats > > ** ** > > Yup, that's "our"

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

amers@lists.frameusers.com; framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com; 'Lisa Freeman' Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Yup, that's "our" Rick -- contributing to the list as if nothing ever happened. Way to

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

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Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

12 AM To: Lisa Freeman; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hi Lisa, Try this: after you wrap a few elements, choose File > Import > Element Definitions. Check the Format Rule Overrides checkbox and click I

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

I may put a picture of my chest in my signature. From: Lynn Gold [mailto:lg...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 2:24 PM To: Rick Quatro Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com; 'Lisa Freeman' Subject: RE: Unstructured to Structured: Ques

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

Yup, that's "our" Rick -- contributing to the list as if nothing ever happened. Way to go, and welcome back! --Lynn From: "Rick Quatro" To: "'Lisa Freeman'" , Date: 07/03/2012 05:16 AM Subject: RE: Unstructured to St

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

ick at frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:24 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 12:24 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hello All, FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 12:24 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hello All, FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to

RE: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

045 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lisa Freeman Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 1:24 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats Hel

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

Hello All, FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh). The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema

Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats

Hello All, FM10 - We are converting an unstructured Frame file to Structured. Due to unfortunate circumstances, we are not able to use a conversion table (sigh). The issue is that during the hand tagging of this file, we have to wrap the text in the element tags in para tags to match the schema