Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-08 Thread k. a.r.
"> ... but given housing costs in The Mission, I 'spose a DP could use the extra income. > > ;-)" What do you mean? Like everyone else here I live in a mansion on a 10 acre ranch that is supported by the attached orchard and horse breeding business, I pay no rent or bills. ;) I gave myself the

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-08 Thread Francisco Torres
'' Umthat would be a federal offense.you'd probably get a lot of prison time for that '' Not if all people got a script (prescription in junkie slang) everything would be Kopaceptic... Dr Benway would do it. For a fee, of course. 2015-08-07 23:09 GMT-04:00 Dave Tetzlaff : > >> Related ran

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-07 Thread Dave Tetzlaff
>> Related random Factory-al thought: How about a screening where two bowls of >> pills are placed on a table to one side of the screen, one containing >> Adderall tabs, the other Klonopin? Thus other audience members could see who >> goes for which pills and when... > Umthat would be a fed

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-07 Thread k. a.r.
"Related random Factory-al thought: How about a screening where two bowls of pills are placed on a table to one side of the screen, one containing Adderall tabs, the other Klonopin? Thus other audience members could see who goes for which pills and when..." Umthat would be a federal offens

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-07 Thread Francisco Torres
16fps... The guy sure knew how to be a contrarian. ''Warhol wasn't sufficiently concerned with the technical side of things...'' To say the least. As in - "How come your camera doesn't make any noise?'' :) 2015-08-07 14:12 GMT-04:00 Dave Tetzlaff : > > It is in fact 'Sleep' that we'll be showing

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-07 Thread Dave Tetzlaff
> It is in fact 'Sleep' that we'll be showing in Austin, TX in October; I'm not > hopeful that I'll be able to find two functioning 16fps projectors locally... > I got an email from someone encouraging me to instead use four projectors, as > it would cut the screening time in half. So...Why two

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-04 Thread Sasha Janerus
Warhol wasn't sufficiently concerned with the technical side of things to warrant a claim that he "intended" the films to run 16 as opposed to 18. Warhol would have been interested in the creative misuse of the apparatus, and in the footage being submitted to and deformed by norms enforced by mass-

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-04 Thread Scott Stark
Thanks to all for the excellent suggestions and information. It is in fact Sleep that we'll be showing in Austin, TX in October; I'm not hopeful that I'll be able to find two functioning 16fps projectors locally, but as someone told me this morning privately, most 16fps projectors just had rheost

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-03 Thread Steve Polta
In 2001 San Francisco Cinematheque projected Andy Warhol's *Sleep*, which is six hours (360 minutes) at 16fps. We started the show at midnight, expected it to end at 6am. We ran it at 18fps and the show got out at 5:30am (and in fact I just did the math and I think the difference over that time is

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-03 Thread cbifilms
Tetzlaff Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 23:26 To: Experimental Film Discussion List Reply To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors? I don't know of any specific models, but since 16fps was once the standard, there must be really old 'silent only'

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-03 Thread Dave Tetzlaff
I don't know of any specific models, but since 16fps was once the standard, there must be really old 'silent only' projectors that run at that speed, yes? I vaguely recall that some sound projectors can be made to run at 16fps by changing a pulley. I'm guessing they wouldn't be Elmos or Eikis th

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-03 Thread Scott Dorsey
The B&H filmosound in a box projectors (the 300 series) have universal motors with mechanical governors, which can be adjusted for a variety of speeds. If set according to the manual the silent speed is 16 fps, but if no maintenance has been done it could be anything. They are truly among the bes

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-03 Thread David Sherman
I remember talking to talking to David Gerstein when the SF Cinematheque showed Empire in the 1990's and I seem to recal that he said that the B&H Filmosound in a box projectors circ WWII ran silent at 16fps. I have one but haven't compared it to a silent running Pageant. -David On Mon, Aug 3, 201

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-03 Thread 40 Frames
Kodak Analyst maybe? Variable speed with line marking for 16 fps, though cannot recall, so perhaps someone else can verify? Earlier Kodak Analyst would dim when slowed, but I think the later model (II, etc) had better rheostat and douser so brightness was still decent when film speed was slowed do

Re: [Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-03 Thread Kate MacKay
Hi Scott, I don't know of any portable 16mm projectors that run 16fps but some kinoton fp16 or fp18 projectors are equipped with variable speed motors that run 16fps. I just projected Haircut #1 at 16fps at the Media City Film Festival. I was using a beautiful Eastman 25 projector from Full Apertu

[Frameworks] 16fps 16mm projectors?

2015-08-03 Thread Scott Stark
Hi all, anyone know of 16mm projectors that run at 16fps? As far as I know most Pageants, Eikis and Elmos run at 18 if they have a silent speed. I know some of the Warhol films were meant to run at 16fps. thanks, Scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list Fra