Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-14 Thread Marco Poloni
:12 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP? If you're stuck with Blu-Ray, definitely use professional optical media. Taiyo Yuden is the gold standard. They make DVDs under their own brand as well as others. For Blu-Ray, I think Taiyo Yuedn

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-14 Thread David Tetzlaff
I second Marco's rec. of Pioneer optical drives. I don't have a Pioner BR burner, but I've had many, many DVD burners of different mfr., and the Pioneers have consistently produced the best burns and been the most reliable. I've had three LG BR-burners. One of them (older) died, but the latest

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-14 Thread Aaron F. Ross
Another vote for Pioneer burners, they have the best reputation. If you're on a budget, LiteOn is OK. They are cheaper, but I've never had problems with them... under Windows. Really, the limiting factor is the quality of the optical media. // Aaron / At 12/14/2013, you

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-13 Thread David Tetzlaff
The problem for the filmmaker in the digital age is that there is absolutely no standardization between different screening venues. Some folks want files, but only take certain codecs and containers (and different ones at different places, of course...). And some folks want physical media:

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-13 Thread Scott Dorsey
The problem for the filmmaker in the digital age is that there is absolutely o no standardization between different screening venues. But there is standardization between commercial theatres. They _all_ take DCP files. DCP files are the 35mm of the New Millennium. Now, there are a lot of

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-13 Thread Jeff Kreines
Moira: There’s HDCAM and there’s HDCAM SR. HDCAM is a terrible format, to be avoided at all costs. HDCAM SR is ok if you want HD and need tape, but it is fading quickly in favor of files. While many are suggesting ProRes (and that should be ProResHQ 442 (I don’t think you need 444 in this

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-13 Thread Aaron F. Ross
If you're stuck with Blu-Ray, definitely use professional optical media. Taiyo Yuden is the gold standard. They make DVDs under their own brand as well as others. For Blu-Ray, I think Taiyo Yuedn have an exclusive with JVC. I go to supermediastore.com, they have the widest selection of media

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-13 Thread Gene Youngblood
I'm looking to buy my first Blu-ray burner. Any suggestions? -Original Message- From: Aaron F. Ross Sent: Friday, December 13, 2013 3:12 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP? If you're stuck with Blu-Ray, definitely use

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-13 Thread Sean M
And as recently noted here, ProRes isn't available on PCs. Given what production houses charge for transfers, it might behoove PC based folks to invest in a used older Mac Pro (~$500) if only to make ProRes files. I've been making ProRes files from a Win platform for ages now, no issues at all,

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-13 Thread Lourdes Portillo
INTERESTING On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:54 PM, Sean M seanmorris...@gmail.com wrote: And as recently noted here, ProRes isn't available on PCs. Given what production houses charge for transfers, it might behoove PC based folks to invest in a used older Mac Pro (~$500) if only to make ProRes

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-13 Thread Aaron F. Ross
Fascinating, that's great news. Thanks for the info. Cinec Pro is 150 Euro for the noncommercial version, which is about US$200. Cheaper to go the open source route and deal with the inconvenience. But if you can deduct the expense from taxes, Cinec Pro might be worthwhile. /

[Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-12 Thread ev petrol
hey folks I'm outputting a film to HD cam have the option of doing it at 24fps (the project itself is 24fps) or 25fps (I'm making digibetas as well, so the framerate conversion is happening anyway) - any thoughts on which would be more useful? there's also a DCP option, more expensive but

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-12 Thread Peter Snowdon
I'm also interested to see what people have to say on this. I have the impression that HDCam hardly exists at all in Europe, whereas in the US many places are equipped for HDCam but not DCP. So these decisions also have to do with where you want to screen work more often. Having said which,

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-12 Thread David Tetzlaff
I'd recommend getting your film transferred to the highest quality codec available, then converting it to whatever you need on your own (or a friend's) computer (if you don't have a Mac). HD-CAM IS NOT FULL 1080P RESOLUTION! It's a now technologically obsolete tape format that uses an

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-12 Thread Pip Chodorov
I agree. HDCam-SR is a preferable tape master (but expensive to read from because only big labs have the players). A ProRes file is definitely more useful to work with, though a physical tape master is reassuring to have. 24PFS is the most compatible framerate for film original and HD

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-12 Thread Aaron F. Ross
I want to reiterate that the ProRes codec is lossy. ProRes is the best, it's full 4:4:4 color sampling and can optionally preserve RGB color space if you're working with graphics. But if you're looking for a truly lossless mastering format, the best option is still Quicktime Animation at

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-12 Thread ev petrol
thanks loads folks for all the feedback!! this is a project that originated on super-8mm (18fps) I did a 4K scan then imported into avid as DNxHD 175X MXF (the highest resolution I could get to play back on my laptop) did all the conforming (stabilize, resize, timewarp, colour timing)

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-12 Thread ev petrol
( sorry for the multiple messages, yahoo glitch ...)   moiratierney.net vimeo.com/moiratierney On Friday, December 13, 2013 12:34 AM, ev petrol epetr...@yahoo.com wrote: thanks loads folks for all the feedback!! this is a project that originated on super-8mm (18fps) I did a 4K scan then

Re: [Frameworks] HD cam 24 vs 25? vs DCP?

2013-12-12 Thread todd eacrett
From a presentation perspective, I'd nix both of the rapidly obsolescing HDCam and Blu-ray in favour of a ProRes file. Blu-ray is a pita for screenings. I've had discs that tested fine one day then wouldn't read the next. Even with a BR data drive and the software it's a slow and potentially lossy