On Thu(23)/Jun/05 - , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote:
> "Andrew L. Gould" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Thursday 23 June 2005 12:16 pm, Johnson David wrote:
> > > If by "works", you mean people leave the community, then you are
> > > correct. We all know what "F" in "RTFM" means. While we may not s
"Andrew L. Gould" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thursday 23 June 2005 12:16 pm, Johnson David wrote:
> > If by "works", you mean people leave the community, then you are
> > correct. We all know what "F" in "RTFM" means. While we may not say
> > it with those words anymore, we still often say it
On Thursday 23 June 2005 12:16 pm, Johnson David wrote:
> From: cali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > The idea is, the newbie gets repeatedly told "RTFM", so that
> > eventually they get the idea that they must work it out for
> > themselves because they develop this inner fear of asking for help
>
From: cali [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> The idea is, the newbie gets repeatedly told "RTFM", so that eventually
> they get the idea that they must work it out for themselves because they
> develop this inner fear of asking for help and being ridiculed, ie they
> don't want to portray themselves as
Julian H. Stacey said:
>> FreeBSD.org describes advocacy@ as:
>> "Furthering the Use of FreeBSD
>> Share ideas and plan to increase the number of companies and
>> individuals using FreeBSD".
>
> Fine
>
>> The original poster had an idea that he thought could increase the
>> number of FreeBSD users,
"Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Clearly, improving the website or writing new documentation does not
> qualify in your eyes, so Im kind of curious on exactly how you define
> advocacy?
Discussions about the web site belong on freebsd-www; discussions
about documentation (n
"Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" wrote:
> Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> >>I feel the handbook could be made clearer in some areas, but I
> >>believe it is good in general.
> >
> >
> > ( This Not directed at sender above, so sender's name omitted, but the above
> > is a mild example of much worse noise fr
Julian H. Stacey wrote:
I feel the handbook could be made clearer in some areas, but I
believe it is good in general.
( This Not directed at sender above, so sender's name omitted, but the above
is a mild example of much worse noise from other hollow vessels on this list.
If it doesn't hel
> Hi Julian,
Hi Carsten
>
> I wouldn't agree. When you consider the sheer amount of unresolved PRs, I
> have a problem with adding another one to that list.
Yes, worrying, but a seperate problem.
I suggested send-pr also for the Method:
Regular cross posters of hot air on advocacy@ seem proba
Ah, but help on who's terms? Telling a newbie to RTFM for an answer that
he asks which is in the manual IS help.
Yes, it is help. But how dumb does a person have to be if this is of real
help?
If they were like ultra-newbie, they might not even know how to access the
manual, but this is impro
Advocacy@
cc Postmaster,
"Ted Mittelstaedt" dumped advocacy@ with cross posted irrelevant noise:
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Other offenders also cross post off- remit irrelevance.
Advocacy@ has flooded to a cesspit of irrelevance.
List remit: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/l
Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
_I_ don't. Who does?
Some do a logo contest to make FreeBSD more appearing, there is some
activity going in.
Most of the rank and file argued long against that contest.
Not only them.
Why should I study the drivers manual before getting a
drivers license?
Hi Julian,
I wouldn't agree. When you consider the sheer amount of unresolved PRs, I
have a problem with adding another one to that list. All the more when I
don't know that my PR is backed by a greater part of the community. Only
the fact that I can handle send-pr and I find me somebody with
comm
>-Original Message-
>From: Erich Dollansky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:05 AM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
>
>>>
>> _I_ don't. Who does?
>>
>Some do a logo conte
Hi,
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Tone is in the eye of the beholder. Sure, posts all contain a tone
to them. But very little posted on this mailing list has been
anywhere near as harsh as what you see sometimes on Usenet in the
FreeBSD groups there.
I did not say this a
>-Original Message-
>From: Erich Dollansky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:36 PM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: Fafa Hafiz Krantz; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Explaining FreeBSD features
>
>
>Hi,
>
>Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>
>>>I do not thin
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