Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Eitan Adler
Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is an educational experience. While FreeBSD can be coerced to

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Julian Elischer
On 4/1/14, 1:46 PM, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all Hey it's not an apr 1 joke if it's true.. ___ freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
On 4/1/2014 1:46 AM, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is an educational

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Jordan Hubbard
On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the Linux desktop and start to rip out the pieces of the OS not needed for server or embedded use.

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Hans Petter Selasky
Hi, On 04/01/14 07:46, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is an educational

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread David Chisnall
On 1 Apr 2014, at 08:11, Jordan Hubbard j...@mail.turbofuzz.com wrote: 1. Power. As you point out, being truly power efficient is a complete top-to-bottom engineering effort and it takes a lot more than just trying to idle the processor whenever possible to achieve that. You need to

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Lars Engels
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 12:11:19PM +0500, Jordan Hubbard wrote: On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the Linux desktop and start

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Sean Bruno
On Mon, 2014-03-31 at 22:46 -0700, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Chris H
Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is an educational experience. While FreeBSD can be

RE: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread dteske
-Original Message- From: Eitan Adler [mailto:li...@eitanadler.com] Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 10:47 PM To: hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd- advoc...@freebsd.org Subject: Leaving the Desktop Market Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is

RE: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread dteske
-Original Message- From: Lars Engels [mailto:lars.eng...@0x20.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:41 AM To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Eitan Adler; hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd- advoc...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Leaving the Desktop Market On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Jim Thompson
On Apr 1, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Sean Bruno sean...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: Why even bother? Its over, just embrace the future and be like this happy Mac user: http://people.freebsd.org/~sbruno/happy_desktop_user.jpg I have Macs at work (typing on one now), and a mac at home. I like them. I

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Chris H
On Mon, March 31, 2014 10:46 pm, Eitan Adler wrote: Hi all, Some of you may have seen my posts entitled Story of a Laptop User and Story of a Desktop User. For those of you who did not, it can be a worthwhile read to see what life is like when using FreeBSD as a desktop. In short, it is

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Matt Olander
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard j...@mail.turbofuzz.com wrote: On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the Linux desktop

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Lars Engels
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 07:52:13AM -0700, dte...@freebsd.org wrote: -Original Message- From: Lars Engels [mailto:lars.eng...@0x20.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:41 AM To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Eitan Adler; hack...@freebsd.org; curr...@freebsd.org; freebsd-

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Andreas Nilsson
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Matt Olander m...@ixsystems.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Jordan Hubbard j...@mail.turbofuzz.com wrote: On Apr 1, 2014, at 10:46 AM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote: That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Brian Kim
Hi all, I have been a member of the FreeBSD hackers mailing list for about a year.5 now and I must say that I was looking forward to this year's 4/1 email. Last year, I didn't even realize that the discussion of promoting i386 as a tier 1 architecture was a joke until someone blatantly mentioned

RE: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Chris H
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-advoc...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Randi Harper You know you opened a can of worms with that one. Because all the nerds are going to step up and say Well, I run FreeBSD on my desktop! It's totally

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Tuesday, April 01, 2014 a las 07:43:02PM +0200, Lars Engels escribió: That is why on this date I propose that we cease competing on the desktop market. FreeBSD should declare 2014 to be year of the [snip] I'm a happy FreeBSD desktop user since 4.7. There are some edges,

Re: Leaving the Desktop Market

2014-04-01 Thread Michael Sinatra
On 04/01/2014 07:46, dte...@freebsd.org wrote: Eitan, While I understand your frustration, VICOR is using FreeBSD as a Desktop since FreeBSD 2.2. We don't use sound and we are fine relying on vesa. While I understand that the things you listed are actual short-comings for normal