On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 11:44:47PM +0100, Joerg Wunsch wrote:
> As Ruslan Ermilov wrote:
>
> > > You need to configure /some/ interface address for the remote end
> > > anyway, and it must not clash with any other routing table entry,
> > > since "ifconfig ... up" always adds an entry for the rem
> >>> Still, it's my opinion that these BIOSes are simply broken:
> >
> > Joerg's personal opinion can go take a hike. The reality of the
> > situation is that this table is required, and we're going to put it there.
>
> The reality of the situation is far from being clear. The only thing
> I c
As Peter Wemm wrote:
> No, it isn't ignored, BIOS'es "know" that fdisk partitions end on
> cylinder boundaries, and therefore can intuit what the expected
> geometry is for the disk in question.
And you call that a "design"? I call it a poor hack, nothing else.
The restriction to whatever the
On Monday, 10 December 2001 at 0:17:14 -0800, Mike Smith wrote:
> Still, it's my opinion that these BIOSes are simply broken:
>>>
>>> Joerg's personal opinion can go take a hike. The reality of the
>>> situation is that this table is required, and we're going to put it there.
>>
>> The reali
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> "Warner" == Warner Losh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Warner> Hmmm. Something about this patch looks incorrect. Wouldn't it
Warner> delete the actual bus (eg pccard/cardbus)? I'd think that we'd want
Warner> to delete the children's children. I will have to look at the code
Warner> more c
On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 01:08:32PM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote:
> Mathieu Arnold wrote:
> >
> > Warner Losh wrote:
> > >
> > > 4.4-r -> current build is very broken right now. I'll investigate and
> > > fix.
> >
> > last time I did it, I had a problem with install, adding LDFLAGS+=
> > -static t
Ah, the thread which would not die... 8^).
Joerg Wunsch wrote:
> /The/ major advantage of DD mode was that all BIOSes (so far :) at
> least agree on how to access block 0 and the adjacent blocks, so
> starting our own system there makes those disks portable.
I guarantee you that there are a numb
Greg Lehey wrote:
> What is it about this particular topic brings out such irrational
> emotions in you and others?
Everyone who has been around for any length of time has been bitten
on the arse by it at one time or another, I think. I remember
Alfred made a "Lapbrick" out of a system a while b
As Ruslan Ermilov wrote:
> ifconfig isp0 up
> route add default -iface isp0
>
> Won't this work, without prior configuring any INET addresses?
Probably not, at least not the way sppp is designed right now.
Historically, it always required explicit IP addresses to start
with, negotiating addres
As Peter Wemm wrote:
> Can you please clarify for me what specifically you do not like.. Is it:
> - the cost of 32K of disk space on an average disk these days?
> (and if so, is reducing that to one sector instead of 62 sufficient?)
The idea of a "geometry" that does not even remotely resemble
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 11:50:50AM +0200, Ruslan Ermilov wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 01:08:32PM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote:
> > Mathieu Arnold wrote:
> > >
> > > Warner Losh wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 4.4-r -> current build is very broken right now. I'll investigate and
> > > > fix.
> > >
> > >
Hi,
My -CURRENT box often panices when exiting from X server to console
running in VESA_800x600 mode. I was observing this weird behaviour for
quite some time now. Also I've noted that the chances of system going
down is directly related to the presence of disk activity during the
mode change - i
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Wemm writes
:
>The problem is, that you **are** using fdisk tables, you have no choice.
>DD mode included a *broken* fdisk table that specified an illegal geometry.
...
>This is why it is called dangerous.
BTW, I presume you are aware of the way sysinstall cr
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On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 11:04:38AM +0100, Joerg Wunsch wrote:
> As Peter Wemm wrote:
>
> > Can you please clarify for me what specifically you do not like.. Is it:
> > - the cost of 32K of disk space on an average disk these days?
> > (and if so, is reducing that to one sector instead of 62 suf
I typicly run without any swap space configured -- 320Mb of RAM is
usually fine. However, after noticing a message "get swap space failed"
(or similar) in the nightly report, I tried to tell my Nov 5 -current to
swapon /dev/da0b
I used to do this with full impunity in the past
As Terry Lambert wrote:
> Joerg Wunsch wrote:
> > /The/ major advantage of DD mode was that all BIOSes (so far :) at
> > least agree on how to access block 0 and the adjacent blocks, so
> > starting our own system there makes those disks portable.
> I guarantee you that there are a number of con
Joerg Wunsch wrote:
> > I guarantee you that there are a number of controllers which have
> > different ideas of how to do soft sector sparing _at the controller
> > level_ rather than at the drive level.
>
> We have dropped support for ESDI controllers long since. :-)
>
> Seriously, all the dis
On Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 01:08:32PM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote:
> Mathieu Arnold wrote:
> >
> > Warner Losh wrote:
> > >
> > > 4.4-r -> current build is very broken right now. I'll investigate and
> > > fix.
> >
> > last time I did it, I had a problem with install, adding LDFLAGS+=
> > -static t
My -CURRENT box got this panic tonight. Apparently, null_inactive tries
to vput NULL lowervp vnode, but how lowervp has managed to become NULL
is not immediately clear for me :( I have crash dump available, if
anyone is interested.
#0 dumpsys () at ../../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:492
#1 0xc01f4a
> What is it about this particular topic brings out such irrational
> emotions in you and others?
Because you define as "irrational" those opinions that don't agree with
your own. I don't consider my stance "irrational" at all, and I find
your leaps past logic and commonsense quite "irrational
> Joerg Wunsch wrote:
> > > I guarantee you that there are a number of controllers which have
> > > different ideas of how to do soft sector sparing _at the controller
> > > level_ rather than at the drive level.
> >
> > We have dropped support for ESDI controllers long since. :-)
> >
> > Seriou
I managed to get a panic on my (SMP) "build machine" on the first reboot
after building -CURRENT with sources updated from cvsup13 at around 4:22
AM US/Pacific (8 hrs. west of GMT/UTC) today. (My laptop is still working
on the build from the same sources; it is nearing the end of the "buildworld"
:Spindle sync is an anachronism these days; asynchronous behaviour
:(write-behind in particular) is all the rage. You'd be hard-pressed to
:find drives that even support it anymore.
Woa! Say what? I think you are totally incorrect here Mike.
Spindle sync is not an anachronism. You c
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 10:13:20AM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote:
> :Spindle sync is an anachronism these days; asynchronous behaviour
> :(write-behind in particular) is all the rage. You'd be hard-pressed to
> :find drives that even support it anymore.
>
> Woa! Say what? I think you are t
:> performance without it - for reading OR writing. It doesn't matter
:> so much for RAID{1,10}, but it matters a whole lot for something like
:> RAID-5 where the difference between a spindle-synced read or write
:> and a non-spindle-synched read or write can be upwards of 35%.
:For RAID3 that is true. For the other ones...
:
:> performance without it - for reading OR writing. It doesn't matter
:> so much for RAID{1,10}, but it matters a whole lot for something like
:> RAID-5 where the difference between a spindle-synced read or write
:> and a non-spi
> Well, for reads a non-stripe-crossing op would still work reasonably
> well. But for writes less then full-stripe operations without
> spindle sync are going to be terrible due to the read-before-write
> requirement (to calculate parity). The disk cache is useless in that
>
>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:02:24 -0800 (PST)
>From: David Wolfskill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I managed to get a panic on my (SMP) "build machine" on the first reboot
>after building -CURRENT
Well, the laptop finshed building & booting from (nearly) the same
sources, so I suspect either hardware
:> Well, for reads a non-stripe-crossing op would still work reasonably
:> well. But for writes less then full-stripe operations without
:> spindle sync are going to be terrible due to the read-before-write
:> requirement (to calculate parity). The disk cache is useless in that
On 09-Dec-01 Joerg Wunsch wrote:
> As Peter Wemm wrote:
>
>> There shouldn't *be* bootblocks on non-boot disks.
>>
>> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da$n count=1
>>
>> Dont use "disklabel -B -rw da$n auto". Use "disklabel -rw da$n auto".
>
> All my disks have bootblocks and (spare) boot partitions.
hi all,
this is a wild idea...suggestion...
i wanted to ask if there were any _plans_ to port
JFS (Journaled File System) to FreeBSD...
as for JFS, it is developed by IBM for Linux and
is licensed under GPL, so we could put this into
src/gnu/
It is used on IBM MainFrames and Enterprise servers
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 02:01:53PM -0800, Hiten Pandya wrote:
> hi all,
>
> this is a wild idea...suggestion...
>
> i wanted to ask if there were any _plans_ to port
> JFS (Journaled File System) to FreeBSD...
Hi Hiten,
Search the mail list archives (from www.freebsd.org) for JFS and XFS.
You'
There are days when people get tired with the lagacy code in the system - when
things of the past just have to go. Recently I got sick and tired with one of
those things. The command is, as you could have guessed from the subject,
xags(1) aka /usr/bin/xargs. It is buggy and cluttered piece of code
Ian Dowse wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Wemm writ
es
> :
> >The problem is, that you **are** using fdisk tables, you have no choice.
> >DD mode included a *broken* fdisk table that specified an illegal geometry.
> ...
> >This is why it is called dangerous.
>
> BTW, I presume
* Jackie 'business-first' Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011210 16:19] wrote:
>
> As a replacement for the 'functionality' present in xargs(1), I propose
> implementing arbitrary length argument list passing right in the operating
> system.
Nice proposal, where's the diff?
> Yours sincerly, Jackie '
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
>* Jackie 'business-first' Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011210 16:19] wrote:
>>
>> As a replacement for the 'functionality' present in xargs(1), I propose
>> implementing arbitrary length argument list passing right in the operating
>> system.
>
>Nice pro
ummm, what are my scripts that use it going to use instead?
it seems to work fine, and it's pretty much an expected
base utility. Removing it is going to cause quite a bit of confusion.
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Jackie 'business-first' Cook wrote:
> There are days when people get tired with the laga
* Julian Elischer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> ummm, what are my scripts that use it going to use instead?
> it seems to work fine, and it's pretty much an expected
> base utility. Removing it is going to cause quite a bit of confusion.
I have to concurr here. Who knows what's going to break when
If this isn't a troll, I don't know what is
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Jackie 'business-first' Cook wrote:
> There are days when people get tired with the lagacy code in the
> system - when things of the past just have to go. Recently I got sick
> and tired with one of those things. The command is
On 10-Dec-01 Jackie 'business-first' Cook wrote:
> There are days when people get tired with the lagacy code in the system -
> when
> things of the past just have to go. Recently I got sick and tired with one of
> those things. The command is, as you could have guessed from the subject,
> xags(1)
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 11:55:36PM +0100, Emiel Kollof wrote:
> * Julian Elischer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > ummm, what are my scripts that use it going to use instead?
> > it seems to work fine, and it's pretty much an expected
> > base utility. Removing it is going to cause quite a bit of co
"Brandon D. Valentine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
>
> >* Jackie 'business-first' Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011210 16:19] wrote:
> >>
> >> As a replacement for the 'functionality' present in xargs(1), I propose
> >> implementing arbitrary length argum
Either this is a troll, or it's an attempt at the very first layer 8 (between
chair and keyboard) exploit:
> Version #2 - for enterprise (ie. business) users, who are searching for their
>way in life (overwhelming majority) (local solution, still):
>
> find / -print0 | grep -v
* Jordan Hubbard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> My, is it April 1st already? How quickly time flies! December feels
> like it was just yesterday!
You can say that again... I missed my birthday and the new-years party
too. I'm such a geek...
:-)
Cheers,
Emiel
--
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My, is it April 1st already? How quickly time flies! December feels
like it was just yesterday!
- Jordan
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On 10-Dec-01 Brian F. Feldman wrote:
> "Brandon D. Valentine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
>>
>> >* Jackie 'business-first' Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011210 16:19]
>> >wrote:
>> >>
>> >> As a replacement for the 'functionality' present in xargs(1), I
> I for one will miss it. I used libexec/telnetd extensively during ia64
> bootstrap (and still use it) before we had the crypto stuff going. This
> was all built by hand, 'make world' still isn't an option there. I also
> use usr.bin/telnet on other systems where SRA is constantly getting in
[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html]
Long-short syndrome in first message.
On Monday, 10 December 2001 at 14:01:53 -0800, Hiten Pandya wrote:
> hi all,
>
> this is a wild idea...suggestion...
>
> i wanted to ask if there were any _plans_ to port
> JFS (Journaled F
On Tuesday, 11 December 2001 at 10:56:17 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Monday, 10 December 2001 at 17:39:35 -0500, Matthew Emmerton wrote:
>>> * Hiten Pandya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011210 16:02] wrote:
hi all,
this is a wild idea...suggestion...
i wanted to ask if there were
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Greg Lehey wrote:
>On Monday, 10 December 2001 at 17:47:11 -0500, Anthony Schneider wrote:
>> perhaps there could be an upgrade to offer
>> options SOFTERUPDATES
>> as an equal-but-different alternative to jfs?
>
>And what would that do?
SOFTERUPDATES includes a switch
On Monday, 10 December 2001 at 10:30:04 -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote:
>
>>> performance without it - for reading OR writing. It doesn't matter
>>> so much for RAID{1,10}, but it matters a whole lot for something like
>>> RAID-5 where the difference between a spindle-synced read or wri
On Sunday, 9 December 2001 at 16:59:28 -0800, Peter Wemm wrote:
> Joerg Wunsch wrote:
>> Mike Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I'd love to never hear those invalid, unuseful, misleading opinions
>>> from you again.
>>
>> ETOOMANYATTRIBUTES? :-)
>>
>> As long as you keep the feature of DD mode
On Monday, 10 December 2001 at 9:11:03 +0100, Joerg Wunsch wrote:
> Also, i think that:
>
> uriah /boot/kernel/kernel: da0: invalid primary partition table: Dangerously
>Dedicated (ignored)
> uriah last message repeated 5 times
>
> ...73 of those silly messages are just beyond any form of usefu
> On Monday, 10 December 2001 at 17:47:11 -0500, Anthony Schneider wrote:
> > I'm no expert on journaled filesystems, but isn't the freebsd softupdates
> > option similar?
>
> No, at least not from a technical standpoint. From a user standpoint,
> they both try to make things faster and more rel
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:06:33AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Monday, 10 December 2001 at 10:30:04 -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote:
> >
> >>> performance without it - for reading OR writing. It doesn't matter
> >>> so much for RAID{1,10}, but it matters a whole lot for something like
> >>
* Brian F. Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011210 17:11] wrote:
> "Brandon D. Valentine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> >
> > >* Jackie 'business-first' Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [011210 16:19] wrote:
> > >>
> > >> As a replacement for the 'functionality
On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 10:49:28AM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote:
>
> :For RAID3 that is true. For the other ones...
> :
> :> performance without it - for reading OR writing. It doesn't matter
> :> so much for RAID{1,10}, but it matters a whole lot for something like
> :> RAID-5 wher
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Guido van Rooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> guido 2001/12/10 12:02:22 PST
>
> Modified files:
>sbin/reboot boot_i386.8
>sys/boot/i386/libi386 bootinfo.c
>sys/i386/i386autoconf.c
>sys/kern tty_cons.c
>sys/s
Jackie 'business-first' Cook wrote:
[ ... plot to murder innocent xargs command ... ]
Please don't. I use this on a daily basis. It is a much faster
way to use find than "exec", since it doesn't require a billion
instances of "grep".
> As a replacement for the 'functionality' present in xargs
Hiten Pandya wrote:
> i wanted to ask if there were any _plans_ to port
> JFS (Journaled File System) to FreeBSD...
Not unless you have plans. When I was an IBM employee, they would
not change the license, and so it's impossible to ship a CDROM
where it's the boot FS, or boxes on which it is the
As Peter Wemm wrote:
> Yes, that is much safer, however there are certain bioses that have
> interesting quirks that the MBR has to work around. The problem
> when overlapping mbr and boot1 into the same block is that we no
> longer have the space to do that. boot1.s has got *3* bytes free.
To
On Monday, 10 December 2001 at 22:45:22 -0800, Terry Lambert wrote:
> Hiten Pandya wrote:
>> i wanted to ask if there were any _plans_ to port
>> JFS (Journaled File System) to FreeBSD...
>
> Not unless you have plans. When I was an IBM employee, they would
> not change the license, and so it's i
> > > :> > IBM DTLA drives are known to rotate fast enough near the spindle
> > > :> > that the sustained write speed exceeds the ability of the controller
> > > :> > electronics to keep up, and results in crap being written to disk.
> >
> > I would adssume it actually the tracks FURTHEREST from
:> Wouldn't the linear speed be faster closer to the spindle at 7200 RPM
:> than at the edge?
:
:The stunning ignorance being displayed in this thread appears to have
:reached an all-time low.
:
:*sigh*
Ah, another poor soul who didn't read the first sentence of
tuning(7).
"David W. Chapman Jr." wrote:
> > > :> > IBM DTLA drives are known to rotate fast enough near the spindle
> > > :> > that the sustained write speed exceeds the ability of the controller
> > > :> > electronics to keep up, and results in crap being written to disk.
> >
> >
> > I would adssume it act
On Fri, 7 Dec 2001 10:55:03 -0800 (PST)
Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
JE: yes ncp and nwfs are broken in -current
Hm, and when this be work ?
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