Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:23:24PM +, Alexander Best wrote: > you think so? judging from the videos the changes are having a huge impact > imo. On Linux. Have you ever seen those sorts of UI problems on FreeBSD? I don't watch much video on my systems, but I haven't seen that. FreeBSD has a

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread David Magda
On Nov 18, 2010, at 18:43, Julian Elischer wrote: we are part of the way there.. at least we did abstract the scheduler to the point where we have two completely different ones. you are welcome to develop a 'framework as you describe and plug it into the abstraction we already have. It

Re: panic: loading if_bfe after boot

2010-11-18 Thread Paul B Mahol
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 09:19:06PM -0700, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Loading if_bfe module after boot hangs machine, it works/attach fine >> > from loader. >> > >> > Tell

Re: panic: loading if_bfe after boot

2010-11-18 Thread Pyun YongHyeon
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 09:19:06PM -0700, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Paul B Mahol wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Loading if_bfe module after boot hangs machine, it works/attach fine > > from loader. > > > > Tell me if you need bt. > > Yes, I want to see the back trace. I th

Re: net.link.log_link_state_change broken?

2010-11-18 Thread Paul B Mahol
On 11/18/10, Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote: > On Tue, 2 Nov 2010, Paul B Mahol wrote: > > Hi, > >> It appears we do not log such events anymore (at least with wlan >> devices) in console. >> >> I set this sysctl to 0 via sysctl.conf, if I set it to 1, nothing will >> change. >> >> Because I had loging disa

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Alexander Best
On Thu Nov 18 10, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 11/18/10 3:37 PM, Alexander Best wrote: > >On Fri Nov 19 10, Daniel Nebdal wrote: > >>On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Alexander Kabaev > >>wrote: > >>>On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:56:35 + > >>>Alexander Best wrote: > >>> > On Thu Nov 18 10, Matth

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Julian Elischer
On 11/18/10 3:37 PM, Alexander Best wrote: On Fri Nov 19 10, Daniel Nebdal wrote: On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Alexander Kabaev wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:56:35 + Alexander Best wrote: On Thu Nov 18 10, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:23:24PM + I heard t

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Alexander Best
On Fri Nov 19 10, Daniel Nebdal wrote: > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:56:35 + > > Alexander Best wrote: > > > >> On Thu Nov 18 10, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > >> > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:23:24PM + I heard the voice of > >> > Alexa

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:59:43PM +, Alexander Best wrote: >> >> well i did exactly what they did in the video. watch a 1080p video and move >> the output window around while compiling the kernel. >> > > It is trivial to bring ULE to its k

old references to vfs_mountroot_try()

2010-11-18 Thread Alexander Best
hi there, vfs_mountroot_try() seems to have been removed, yet the src still contains three references to it: vfs_mount.c:386 vfs_mount.c:723 freebsd32_misc.c:2368 cheers. alex -- a13x ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:59:43PM +, Alexander Best wrote: > > well i did exactly what they did in the video. watch a 1080p video and move > the output window around while compiling the kernel. > It is trivial to bring ULE to its knees. If you have N cores then all you need is N+1 cpu int

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Alexander Best
On Thu Nov 18 10, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:56:35 + > Alexander Best wrote: > > > On Thu Nov 18 10, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:23:24PM + I heard the voice of > > > Alexander Best, and lo! it spake thus: > > > > > > > > judging from th

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Daniel Nebdal
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:56:35 + > Alexander Best wrote: > >> On Thu Nov 18 10, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: >> > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:23:24PM + I heard the voice of >> > Alexander Best, and lo! it spake thus: >> > > >> > > judgi

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Alexander Kabaev
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:56:35 + Alexander Best wrote: > On Thu Nov 18 10, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:23:24PM + I heard the voice of > > Alexander Best, and lo! it spake thus: > > > > > > judging from the videos the changes are having a huge impact imo. > > >

Re: ideas for _PSD/_CSD/_TSD

2010-11-18 Thread Nate Lawson
On 11/18/2010 11:09 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote: > I am trying to solicit some architectural/design ideas for implementing logic > that > would honor ACPI _PSD/_CSD/_TSD descriptions of processor dependency domains. > Well, I am primarily interested in _PSD, but I think that some general > principles

Re: VIMAGE: Freed UMA keg was not empty

2010-11-18 Thread Thierry Herbelot
"Bjoern A. Zeeb" a écrit > On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Thierry Herbelot wrote: > > "Bjoern A. Zeeb" a écrit > > > >> On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Thierry Herbelot wrote: > >>> As promised, here are the full logs (in attachment) > >>> > >>> This is a serial console log showing the command loop that triggers th

Re: www/chromium crashing whole system

2010-11-18 Thread Marcin Wisnicki
On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 21:30:13 -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 11/17/10 12:15 PM, Marcin Wisnicki wrote: >>> >> Probably not. I thought about it a bit more and realized that you will >> miss state of cpu registers which is rather important. >> >> How does debugging over firewire work if it only h

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread O. Hartmann
On 11/18/10 19:55, Lucius Windschuh wrote: 2010/11/18 Andriy Gapon: [Grouping of processes into TTY groups] Well, I think that those improvements apply only to a very specific usage pattern and are greatly over-hyped. But there are serious issue if you use FreeBSD as a desktop OS with SMP an

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread O. Hartmann
On 11/18/10 19:28, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:23:24PM + I heard the voice of Alexander Best, and lo! it spake thus: judging from the videos the changes are having a huge impact imo. Well, my (admittedly limited, and certainly anecdotal) experience is that Linux's

Testing /dev/fido ?

2010-11-18 Thread Ivan Voras
I have an IPMI-enabled server with BMC watchdog, and if I understand it correctly, /dev/fido will be attached as the result of loading ipmi.ko. Is there some easy way to test if everything works? ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lis

Re: VIMAGE: Freed UMA keg was not empty

2010-11-18 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Thierry Herbelot wrote: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" a écrit On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Thierry Herbelot wrote: As promised, here are the full logs (in attachment) This is a serial console log showing the command loop that triggers the bug on a debug kernel and ensuing DDB session. the o

Re: VIMAGE: Freed UMA keg was not empty

2010-11-18 Thread Thierry Herbelot
"Bjoern A. Zeeb" a écrit > On Wed, 17 Nov 2010, Thierry Herbelot wrote: > > As promised, here are the full logs (in attachment) > > > > This is a serial console log showing the command loop that triggers the > > bug on a debug kernel and ensuing DDB session. > > > > the obvious problem line is :

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Julian Elischer
On 11/18/10 10:55 AM, Lucius Windschuh wrote: 2010/11/18 Andriy Gapon: [Grouping of processes into TTY groups] Well, I think that those improvements apply only to a very specific usage pattern and are greatly over-hyped. But there are serious issue if you use FreeBSD as a desktop OS with SMP

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Freddie Cash
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Alexander Best wrote: > On Thu Nov 18 10, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:23:24PM + I heard the voice of >> Alexander Best, and lo! it spake thus: >> > >> > judging from the videos the changes are having a huge impact imo. >> >> Well, my

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Nov 18, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Alexander Best wrote: > On Thu Nov 18 10, Andriy Gapon wrote: >> on 18/11/2010 13:04 O. Hartmann said the following: >>> On 11/18/10 02:30, grarpamp wrote: Just documenting regarding interactive performance things. This one's from Linux. http://www

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Lucius Windschuh
2010/11/18 Andriy Gapon : > [Grouping of processes into TTY groups] > > Well, I think that those improvements apply only to a very specific usage > pattern > and are greatly over-hyped. But there are serious issue if you use FreeBSD as a desktop OS with SMP and SCHED_ULE, or? Because currently, m

Re: www/chromium crashing whole system

2010-11-18 Thread Alexander Best
On Tue Nov 16 10, Robert N. M. Watson wrote: > > On 15 Nov 2010, at 22:19, Alexander Best wrote: > > > thanks for all your help. i've recently switched to chromium 6.0.472.63 > > and so far my computer has been very stable. > > > > if i experience more lock ups i'll let you know and try to figur

ideas for _PSD/_CSD/_TSD

2010-11-18 Thread Andriy Gapon
I am trying to solicit some architectural/design ideas for implementing logic that would honor ACPI _PSD/_CSD/_TSD descriptions of processor dependency domains. Well, I am primarily interested in _PSD, but I think that some general principles could be shared. In simple terms. Currently we do on

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Alexander Best
On Thu Nov 18 10, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:39, Chuck Swiger wrote: > > Frankly, I'm also turned off by the attempt to popup a full page ad in > > addition to the rest of the advertising content which surrounds what is > > nominally supposed to be the real content.  That doe

Re: Panic with vfs.root.mountfrom=nfs on CURRENT (was Re: [patch] functional prototype of root mount enhancement)

2010-11-18 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
On Nov 17, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: > > Hi Marcel, >Do you have any examples that use nfs rootfs's out of the box that > work with the new logic that don't involve creating an mfsroot? I keep > on running into this error with vfs.root.mountfrom=nfs (previously on > CURRENT it w

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Alexander Best
On Thu Nov 18 10, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:23:24PM + I heard the voice of > Alexander Best, and lo! it spake thus: > > > > judging from the videos the changes are having a huge impact imo. > > Well, my (admittedly limited, and certainly anecdotal) experience is >

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:23:24PM + I heard the voice of Alexander Best, and lo! it spake thus: > > judging from the videos the changes are having a huge impact imo. Well, my (admittedly limited, and certainly anecdotal) experience is that Linux's interactive response when under heavy load w

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Rob Farmer
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:39, Chuck Swiger wrote: > Frankly, I'm also turned off by the attempt to popup a full page ad in > addition to the rest of the advertising content which surrounds what is > nominally supposed to be the real content.  That doesn't mean there is > anything wrong with th

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Alexander Best
On Thu Nov 18 10, Andriy Gapon wrote: > on 18/11/2010 13:04 O. Hartmann said the following: > > On 11/18/10 02:30, grarpamp wrote: > >> Just documenting regarding interactive performance things. > >> This one's from Linux. > >> > >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_vide

Re: aperf/mperf

2010-11-18 Thread George Neville-Neil
On Nov 18, 2010, at 07:32 , Andriy Gapon wrote: > on 18/11/2010 05:53 George Neville-Neil said the following: >> >> On Nov 16, 2010, at 09:37 , Andriy Gapon wrote: >> >>> >>> Many modern processors provide APERF and MPERF MSRs which allow to easily >>> and >>> reliable calculate average CPU p

Re: aperf/mperf

2010-11-18 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 18/11/2010 15:38 Daniel Nebdal said the following: > Just for the sake of gathering information here: > What they offer are two (64-bit, wrapping) counters; one that > increases at a constant rate, and one that increases in proportion to > the current performance of the CPU, so that APERF/MPERF

Re: aperf/mperf

2010-11-18 Thread Daniel Nebdal
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Andriy Gapon wrote: > on 18/11/2010 05:53 George Neville-Neil said the following: >> >> On Nov 16, 2010, at 09:37 , Andriy Gapon wrote: >> >>> >>> Many modern processors provide APERF and MPERF MSRs which allow to easily >>> and >>> reliable calculate average CPU

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 18/11/2010 13:04 O. Hartmann said the following: > On 11/18/10 02:30, grarpamp wrote: >> Just documenting regarding interactive performance things. >> This one's from Linux. >> >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1 > > Well, > it would be nice to have thos

Re: immediate panic in vm

2010-11-18 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 18/11/2010 00:41 Li, Qing said the following: > Building kernel on 8.1-RELEASE should not require a buildworld, right ? > > Or there have been changes committed since that would mandate a > buildworld? See UPDATING entry 20100915 (for head). Sorry for the inconvenience. -- Andriy Gapon _

Re: aperf/mperf

2010-11-18 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 18/11/2010 05:53 George Neville-Neil said the following: > > On Nov 16, 2010, at 09:37 , Andriy Gapon wrote: > >> >> Many modern processors provide APERF and MPERF MSRs which allow to easily and >> reliable calculate average CPU performance level over some interval of time. >> This also allows

Re: TTY task group scheduling

2010-11-18 Thread O. Hartmann
On 11/18/10 02:30, grarpamp wrote: Just documenting regarding interactive performance things. This one's from Linux. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1 Well, it would be nice to have those improvements in FreeBSD, but I doubt this will make it in due tim

Re: VIMAGE: Freed UMA keg was not empty

2010-11-18 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
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