Re: Sil3124 + Sil4726 PortMultipier and FreeBSD9

2011-12-04 Thread Scot Hetzel
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Nenhum_de_Nos math...@eternamente.info wrote: On Sun, December 4, 2011 00:32, Adrian Chadd wrote: Why not just run FreeNAS? thanks for the tip on FreeNAS, as others said too. will it run some other services, as http server for some stuff (wiki for example),

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread sthaug
I want to ask some serious questions here, because I genuinely want to understand your thought process. 1. Do you install *any* ports/packages on a new system before you update the source? Answering just for myself here... Going back a bit, in many cases I didn't need to install any

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Thomas Mueller
From Mehmet Erol Sanliturk m.e.sanlit...@gmail.com: Supplying only a console-mode FreeBSD as a release is making FreeBSD unusable for peoples who they are not computing experts . To allow less experienced people to use FreeBSD easily , it is necessary to include a selected

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Bruce Cran
On 04/12/2011 09:08, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: It's not unthinkable. However, IMHO we're then gradually edging closer to various Linux distros that need lots of packages installed to do anything useful. And that, of course, brings up the question - why not just use Linux in the first place? For

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Roman Kurakin
Doug Barton wrote: On 12/3/2011 1:21 AM, Roman Kurakin wrote: Doug Barton wrote: [...] The fact that we have so many people who are radically change-averse, no matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature. This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Roman Kurakin
Jase Thew wrote: On 03/12/2011 14:48, Roman Kurakin wrote: Jase Thew wrote: On 03/12/2011 09:21, Roman Kurakin wrote: [SNIP] You are right in general, except one small factor. We are talking about bootstrap. CVS is used by many as the one of the ways to get the sources to the freshly

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Christian Laursen
On 12/04/11 01:25, Doug Barton wrote: [snip] Replying to a somewhat random mail in this thread. Has anyone considerede that the people actually using CVS for getting the source might be somewhat overrepresented on freebsd-current? If I had to guess, the average user is using either

Re: Sil3124 + Sil4726 PortMultipier and FreeBSD9

2011-12-04 Thread Alexander Motin
On 04.12.2011 04:46, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: this port multiplier will work ok ? On Sil3124 and which others ? the tip on FreeNAS was great, but my main concern here is the sata hardware compatibility. I'd like to buy it knowing it will work :) Port multipliers supported by all siis(4) hardware

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Alexander Yerenkow
I understand that this is not my business at all :) But anyway, IMHO, you should take GPL-free effort as an example. When you visit http://wiki.freebsd.org/GPLinBase you easily can see what going to be dumped, why, and with what it's going to be replaced. What I mean exactly - throw emails to mail

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Roman Kurakin
Christian Laursen wrote: On 12/04/11 01:25, Doug Barton wrote: [snip] Replying to a somewhat random mail in this thread. Has anyone considerede that the people actually using CVS for getting the source might be somewhat overrepresented on freebsd-current? Probably you are right. I guess I

Re: Sil3124 + Sil4726 PortMultipier and FreeBSD9

2011-12-04 Thread Nenhum_de_Nos
On Sun, December 4, 2011 13:33, Alexander Motin wrote: On 04.12.2011 04:46, Nenhum_de_Nos wrote: this port multiplier will work ok ? On Sil3124 and which others ? the tip on FreeNAS was great, but my main concern here is the sata hardware compatibility. I'd like to buy it knowing it will

9.0-RC2 make

2011-12-04 Thread Vladislav V. Prodan
core# uname -a FreeBSD core.domain.com 9.0-RC2 FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 #0: Sat Nov 12 18:35:25 UTC 2011 r...@farrell.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 # /usr/bin/make /usr/obj/usr/src/make.amd64/make: Permission denied *** Error code 126 Stop in /usr/src. wtf? -- Vladislav V.

Re: 9.0-RC2 make

2011-12-04 Thread Vladislav V. Prodan
04.12.2011 19:08, Vladislav V. Prodan wrote: # /usr/bin/make /usr/obj/usr/src/make.amd64/make: Permission denied *** Error code 126 Stop in /usr/src. Sorry. It's my fault, I put: -o setuid=off $poolname/usr/obj -- Vladislav V. Prodan System Network Administrator http://support.od.ua

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Roman Kurakin
Christian Laursen wrote: [...] I use CVS myself from time to time, but I see no need for it to be in base for that reason. By the way, since there is no way to count +/- I guess the rule do not brake that is working or provide a way to do the same should work. If there is a number of users of

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Roman Kurakin r...@inse.ru wrote: Christian Laursen wrote: [...] I use CVS myself from time to time, but I see no need for it to be in base for that reason. By the way, since there is no way to count +/- I guess the rule do not brake that is working or

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Sat, 3 Dec 2011, Doug Barton wrote: On 12/3/2011 5:03 AM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: The fact that we have so many people who are radically change-averse, no matter how rational the change; is a bug, not a feature. This particular bug is complicated dramatically by the fact that the majority

Re: Third party apps in base [was CVS removal...]

2011-12-04 Thread Julian Elischer
On 12/3/11 11:02 AM, grarpamp wrote: Hi. I have many dependencies on CVS that I 'need' 'out of the box'. Yet at the same time, I would not mind at all if it went to ports. In fact, and from a general position regarding all third party apps, I encourage it. Mostly because they are not authored

Re: running old binaries on -current

2011-12-04 Thread Yamagi Burmeister
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 21:44:26 +0300 Kostik Belousov kostik...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 11:12:13AM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: every now and then, for fun I run up a chroot of freebsd 1.1. or 1.0 under a chroot. Usually hillarity ensues with teh 15 second kernel compile

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Julian Elischer
On 12/3/11 6:40 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: The problem I have with all of this is pretty simple. With the CVS in base, it's treated like the (mostly) rest of the system in a stable release - ie, people don't simply keep updating it to the latest and greatest without some testing. If there are any

Re: running old binaries on -current

2011-12-04 Thread Kostik Belousov
On Sun, Dec 04, 2011 at 08:54:27PM +0100, Yamagi Burmeister wrote: On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 21:44:26 +0300 Kostik Belousov kostik...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 11:12:13AM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: every now and then, for fun I run up a chroot of freebsd 1.1. or 1.0 under a

Re: running old binaries on -current

2011-12-04 Thread Yamagi Burmeister
On Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:25:19 +0200 Kostik Belousov kostik...@gmail.com wrote: Try to set sysctl security.bsd.map_at_zero to 1. I didn't even think of that. It helped, thanks :) -- Homepage: www.yamagi.org XMPP: yam...@yamagi.org GnuPG/GPG: 0xEFBCCBCB pgpZ0f86AZ7Fv.pgp Description: PGP

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Doug Barton
On 12/4/2011 12:19 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: I propose we create a companion directory to src in SVN and cal it sysports it uses the ports infrastructure in organization (though may be more hierarchical) but is populated with items that have come out of the 'src' tree. it is shipped along

Re: Stop scheduler on panic

2011-12-04 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 02/12/2011 17:30 m...@freebsd.org said the following: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Andriy Gapon a...@freebsd.org wrote: on 02/12/2011 06:36 John Baldwin said the following: Ah, ok (I had thought SCHEDULER_STOPPED was going to always be true when kdb was active). But I think these two

Re: Stop scheduler on panic

2011-12-04 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 21/11/2011 18:58 Attilio Rao said the following: I would be very in favor about having a 'thread trampoline for KDB', thus that it can use locks. I keep hearing the suggestion to add this trampoline, but I admit that I do not understand its technical meaning in this context. And also how it

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Doug Barton do...@freebsd.org wrote: On 12/4/2011 12:19 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: I propose we create a companion directory to src in SVN and cal it sysports it uses the ports infrastructure in organization (though may be more hierarchical) but is populated

Re: Stop scheduler on panic

2011-12-04 Thread Andriy Gapon
on 02/12/2011 19:18 Attilio Rao said the following: BTW, I'm waiting for the details to settle (including the patch we have been discussing internally about binding to CPU0 during ACPI shutdown) I do not see strong interdependency between that patch and the panic patch. BTW, I think that your

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Bjoern A. Zeeb
On 4. Dec 2011, at 18:07 , C. P. Ghost wrote: On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Roman Kurakin r...@inse.ru wrote: Christian Laursen wrote: [...] I use CVS myself from time to time, but I see no need for it to be in base for that reason. By the way, since there is no way to count +/- I

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Randy Bush
This seems too reasonable a suggestion, but, as always, the devil is in the details. There will be long. painful discussions (and arguments) about what to remove from the base to the new structure and what things currently NOT in the base should be promoted. as one with a long list of

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Julian Elischer
On 12/4/11 3:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote: This seems too reasonable a suggestion, but, as always, the devil is in the details. There will be long. painful discussions (and arguments) about what to remove from the base to the new structure and what things currently NOT in the base should be promoted.

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Rainer Duffner
Am 05.12.2011 um 00:36 schrieb Randy Bush: This seems too reasonable a suggestion, but, as always, the devil is in the details. There will be long. painful discussions (and arguments) about what to remove from the base to the new structure and what things currently NOT in the base should be

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Randy Bush
BIND OTOH is something different. what's bind? :) randy ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Bakul Shah
On Sun, 04 Dec 2011 16:42:04 PST Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote: On 12/4/11 3:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote: i suspect that my install pattern is similar to others o custom install so i can split filesystems the way i prefer, enabling net ssh o pkg_add -r { bash, rsync,

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Cyrille Lefevre
Le 05/12/2011 03:00, Randy Bush a écrit : BIND OTOH is something different. what's bind? :) http://www.isc.org/software/bind Regards, Cyrille Lefevre -- mailto:cyrille.lefevre-li...@laposte.net ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Randy Bush
BIND OTOH is something different. what's bind? :) http://www.isc.org/software/bind see the smily? bind is not in my install set. if i need an on-system cache, i use unbound. randy ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: CVS removal from the base

2011-12-04 Thread Daniel Eischen
On Dec 4, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Julian Elischer jul...@freebsd.org wrote: On 12/4/11 3:36 PM, Randy Bush wrote: This seems too reasonable a suggestion, but, as always, the devil is in the details. There will be long. painful discussions (and arguments) about what to remove from the base to the