Jan Beich writes:
> grarpamp writes:
>
>> BSD community can definitely volunteer to make benchmark of
>> its shell vs others, determine if and where improvements to make.
>> Many apps never get checked for obvious speedups,
>> if so it might become fastest shell even with the new features.
>
> L
grarpamp writes:
> BSD community can definitely volunteer to make benchmark of
> its shell vs others, determine if and where improvements to make.
> Many apps never get checked for obvious speedups,
> if so it might become fastest shell even with the new features.
Like https://github.com/shellsp
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 10:03:40PM +0200, Alban Hertroys wrote:
>
> > On 22 Sep 2021, at 10:36, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
>
> (…)
>
> > Recently our sh(1) has receive update to make it more user friendly in
> > i
On 2021-09-22 12:26, Marek Zarychta wrote:
W dniu 22.09.2021 o 19:46, Warner Losh pisze:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:35 AM John Baldwin wrote:
On 9/22/21 1:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Hello,
TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
For years now, csh is the default root
> On 22 Sep 2021, at 10:36, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
>
>
> This makes it a usable shell by default, which is why I would like to propose
> to
> make it the default shell for root starting FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE (not MFCed
> propose to make it the default shell for root starting FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE
Make it so.
The whole rest of rc, pkg, base scripts and subsystems use a lot of sh, not csh.
So this is a good compatibility, consistancy, and gotcha-removing update,
needed for decades.
Even "bash" is a majority spoke
> On 22 Sep 2021, at 10:36, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
(…)
> Recently our sh(1) has receive update to make it more user friendly in
> interactive mode:
> * command completion (thanks pstef@)
> * improvement in the emacs
W dniu 22.09.2021 o 19:46, Warner Losh pisze:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:35 AM John Baldwin wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/21 1:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
>>>
>>> For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 08:34:58AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote:
> On 9/22/21 1:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
> >
> > For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be
> > confusing
> > as a default s
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Hello list,
Trying to "crosscompile" a 13-STABLE appliance on 14-CURRENT ( FreeBSD
14.0-CURRENT #8
main-n249550-8db1669959ce: Wed Sep 22 05:39:53 CEST 2021 amd64) with
WITH_LLVM_BINUTILS=YES
set in /etc/src.conf (and a complete fresh rebuild of t
On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 08:52:53 -0700 (PDT)
"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 08:34:58AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote:
> > > On 9/22/21 1:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
> > > >
> > > > F
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 9:35 AM John Baldwin wrote:
> On 9/22/21 1:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
> >
> > For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be
> confusing
> > as a default shell for many
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 08:34:58AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote:
> > On 9/22/21 1:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
> > >
> > > For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be
> > > confusing
>
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 08:34:58AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote:
> On 9/22/21 1:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
> >
> > For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be
> > confusing
> > as a default s
On 9/22/21 1:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Hello,
TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be confusing
as a default shell for many as all other unix like settled on a bourne shell
compatible interactive shell
On 22/09/2021 16:09, Tomoaki AOKI wrote:
On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 05:47:46 -0700
David Wolfskill wrote:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 02:39:37PM +0200, Johan Hendriks wrote:
I did a git pull this morning and it fails to boot.
I hangs at Setting hostid : 0x917bf354
This is a vm running on vmware.
If i
On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 05:47:46 -0700
David Wolfskill wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 02:39:37PM +0200, Johan Hendriks wrote:
> > I did a git pull this morning and it fails to boot.
> > I hangs at Setting hostid : 0x917bf354
> >
> > This is a vm running on vmware.
> > If i boot the old kernel from
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 06:27:09AM +0200, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 6:08 AM Alan Somers wrote:
>
> > tldr; should the Rust ecosystem ditch FreeBSD 10 compat for new code?
> >
> > Rust uses FFI to talk to the OS's C library. That makes cross-compiling a
> > breeze. Unfort
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 02:39:37PM +0200, Johan Hendriks wrote:
> I did a git pull this morning and it fails to boot.
> I hangs at Setting hostid : 0x917bf354
>
> This is a vm running on vmware.
> If i boot the old kernel from yesterday it boots normally.
>
> uname -a
> FreeBSD varnish-cdn-node03
+1 for keeping this behavior on default config
On 22/09/21 06:19, Daniel Morante via freebsd-current wrote:
Will history/completion continue to work the same way? (for example
typing part of the command, pressing UP and having it complete based on
history)
On 9/22/2021 4:36 AM, Baptiste Darou
On 2021-09-22 10:36:45, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Recently our sh(1) has receive update to make it more user friendly in
interactive mode:
* command completion (thanks pstef@)
* improvement in the emacs mode, to make it behave by default like other shells
* improvement in the vi mode (in particu
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 02:39:37PM +0200, Johan Hendriks wrote:
> I did a git pull this morning and it fails to boot.
> I hangs at Setting hostid : 0x917bf354
>
> This is a vm running on vmware.
> If i boot the old kernel from yesterday it boots normally.
>
> uname -a
> FreeBSD varnish-cdn-node03
I did a git pull this morning and it fails to boot.
I hangs at Setting hostid : 0x917bf354
This is a vm running on vmware.
If i boot the old kernel from yesterday it boots normally.
uname -a
FreeBSD varnish-cdn-node03 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #0
main-n249518-5572fda3a2f: Tue Sep 21 14:
+1 from me.
On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 12:31, Chris Stephan wrote:
> I completely agree. It will save me the ‘/bin/sh’ at the beginning of each
> ‘su -‘ session. Also, it will simplify building extra small FreeBSD images,
> allowing an easier removal of ‘csh’.
>
> I use csh from time to time, but I
I completely agree. It will save me the ‘/bin/sh’ at the beginning of each ‘su
-‘ session. Also, it will simplify building extra small FreeBSD images,
allowing an easier removal of ‘csh’.
I use csh from time to time, but I do wish it would take a much more explicit
action so my brain has switch
W dniu 22.09.2021 o 10:36, Baptiste Daroussin pisze:
> Hello,
>
> TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
>
> For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be confusing
> as a default shell for many as all other unix like settled on a bourne shell
> compatibl
On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 05:19:38AM -0400, Daniel Morante via freebsd-current
wrote:
> Will history/completion continue to work the same way? (for example typing
> part of the command, pressing UP and having it complete based on history)
No, this is a csh specific behaviour. (not it can probably b
Will history/completion continue to work the same way? (for example
typing part of the command, pressing UP and having it complete based on
history)
On 9/22/2021 4:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
Hello,
TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
For years now, csh is the defa
Hello,
TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!!
For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be confusing
as a default shell for many as all other unix like settled on a bourne shell
compatible interactive shell: zsh, bash, or variant of ksh.
Recently our sh
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