Re: buildworld breakage during "make depend" at usr.bin/kdump

2001-11-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 04:44:12AM +0300, Andrey A. Chernov wrote: > Next bad thing discovered about new awk just looking at sourse code: it > not support locale (collating in regexp ranges too, of course). We just > make great backward step switching to it. I have a patch for that. -- -- David

Re: buildworld breakage during "make depend" at usr.bin/kdump

2001-11-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 09:42:18PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > Although I admit the fallout has been somewhat painful, let's > > try to make do with it, if we disconnect the new awk I feel > > that we will keep repeating this cycle, basically each activation > > will see new problems requiring

Re: buildworld breakage during "make depend" at usr.bin/kdump

2001-11-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 09:23:12PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > No, awk should be fixed instead to conform POSIX specs, or switched back > > to gawk. > > It's not a binary decision. What we should probably do is: > > 1) Disconnect bwk-awk from the build. > 2) Connect gawk to the build. > 3)

Re: Revert awk to one that works

2001-10-31 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 10:12:43PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > My only purpose in replying was to state my objection to the > sufficency of David's argument. There are a lot of things that aren't > "required," but are a good idea none the less. All I'll say is just about every large change

Re: Revert awk to one that works

2001-10-31 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 05:14:34PM -0800, Jos Backus wrote: > On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 04:45:58PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > Why don't we look at fixing the mkioctls script instead?? > > What about this patch? It does not work. > +cat <<'

Re: Revert awk to one that works

2001-10-31 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 04:56:18PM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 04:45:58PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:16:37PM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > > > Can someone revert awk to one that actually works? > > > > Why d

Re: Revert awk to one that works

2001-10-31 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 03:16:37PM -0800, Steve Kargl wrote: > Can someone revert awk to one that actually works? Why don't we look at fixing the mkioctls script instead?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: adding athlon xp to bsd.cpu.mk

2001-10-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Oct 29, 2001 at 10:29:00AM -0800, matt wrote: > any one know if my 4.3 stable work with all AMD > processors, as well as with SMP enabled? Yes it will. I certifed 4.3 RELEASE (and thus 4.3-STABLE) on the SMP Thunder for AMD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscri

Re: adding athlon xp to bsd.cpu.mk

2001-10-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 02:06:00PM -, cameron grant wrote: > my system with dual 1.1ghz durons identifies as: > > CPU: AMD Duron(tm) MP Processor (1110.94-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x670 Stepping = 0 > > Features=0x383fbff CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR,SSE> > AMD Feat

Re: Change Prompt

2001-10-26 Thread David O'Brien
> Another question , what is the function of PS2 and when to use it ? Please > advise I advise you to use PS2="smokin'crack? > " as I do. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: XFree86-4 required?

2001-10-19 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:33:09PM +0200, Riccardo Torrini wrote: > Is a real need for ports under -CURRENT to require (from a > week or two, I don't remember) XFree86-libraries? Yes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: commit to ansi.h

2001-10-18 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:37:29PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > >From sys/i386/include/ansi.h: > > > > (1) #if defined __GNUC__ > > (2) #if (__GNUC__ > 2 || __GNUC__ == 2 && __GNUC_MINOR__ > 95) > > (3) #define _BSD_VA_LIST_ __builtin_va_list /* internally known to gcc */ > > (4) #end

Re: Best way to get a system on current?

2001-10-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Oct 12, 2001 at 11:15:34AM -0500, Bob Willcox wrote: > I am interested in what is the best way to get a test system running > current? I have tried both upgrading from 4.4-stable (ran into kernel > build problems) It would be nice to see the problems you experienced. One is supose to be

Re: Missing stack frames in kgdb/ddb traces

2001-10-08 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 09:32:56PM +0100, Ian Dowse wrote: > Index: gnu/usr.bin/binutils/gdb/i386/kvm-fbsd.c > === > RCS file: /dump/FreeBSD-CVS/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/gdb/i386/kvm-fbsd.c,v > retrieving revision 1.27 > diff -u -r1.2

Re: uucp user shell and home directory

2001-10-07 Thread David O'Brien
On Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 03:26:40AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > I could rent one at a colocation facility. But I live in Silicon > Valley, and I can't even get a connection faster than an ISDN line; > I'm 2000 feet "too far away" for DSL. Uh Terry, you know very well you have a freefall.freebsd

Re: uucp user shell and home directory

2001-10-02 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 10:35:14AM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > UUCP still gets used. It's one of the few sane ways to handle email in > > a laptop environment when you're always connecting through different > > dialups/ISPs. It has mostly fallen out of favour due to ignorance and > > FUD

Re: oops [was: Re: broken current]

2001-10-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Oct 02, 2001 at 12:43:50AM +0300, Gene Raytsin wrote: > and I am sorry for offtopic, ofcourse It wasn't off topic. Users of -current just have responsibilities (such as reading the freebsd-current list) before posting about a problem. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe:

Re: broken current

2001-10-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 10:49:16PM +0300, Gene Raytsin wrote: > hi, Hi. > /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > install: histedit.h: No such file or directory > > Getting this like 3d time as of today. > Any ideas? Yeah, do what ever you do to retrieve this mailing list; then read any new messa

Re: world broken in src/lib/libedit

2001-10-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 04:29:08PM +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: > cd /var/d10/FreeBSD-2001-10-01/src/lib/libedit && sh >/var/d10/FreeBSD-2001-10-01/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 >histedit.h /usr/obj/var/d10/FreeBSD-2001-10-01/src/i386/usr/include > install: histedit.h: No such

Re: Today's -CURRENT buildworld breaks: libedit/Makefile wants histedit.h

2001-10-01 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 08:06:20AM -0700, David Wolfskill wrote: > Today's -CURRENT build breaks: Thanks for the note. I'm looking now what is different from my test box and what everyone else has. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of

Re: Undefined symbol "__stderrp"

2001-09-29 Thread David O'Brien
On Sat, Sep 29, 2001 at 09:10:45PM -0500, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > What about ports committers who test their ports on -current, but may > not have a very good C knowledge(like myself). You would read this list (as obviously you do if you saw this thread). To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMA

Re: /etc/services missing dict

2001-09-29 Thread David O'Brien
On Sat, Sep 29, 2001 at 02:22:07PM -0400, David Hill wrote: > Would it be okay to add the dictionary protocol to /etc/services? done To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: undefined symbols in libutil.so in -CURRENT

2001-09-29 Thread David O'Brien
On Sat, Sep 29, 2001 at 04:38:10AM -0700, Andrei Popov wrote: > After a recent (last week) cvsup and make world I am getting the > following error whe trying to cvsup -CURRENT: > > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libutil.so.3: Undefined symbol > "__stdoutp" I cannot believe I am seeing this.

Re: Undefined symbol "__stderrp"

2001-09-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 07:02:30PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 05:17:32PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > A cursory review of email headers in -current's archive is not > > spectacularly illuminating. > > I would say > > Su

Re: Undefined symbol "__stderrp"

2001-09-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 05:17:32PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > A cursory review of email headers in -current's archive is not > spectacularly illuminating. I would say Subject: libutil.so.3: Undefined symbol "__stdoutp" Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:06:47 +0800 is right on the money! To

Re: Undefined symbol "__stderrp"

2001-09-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 04:26:24PM +0100, David Malone wrote: > For me, this didn't help for some programs which were linked with > the old C library but the new maths library. I had some ports which > I had built in this catagory. Mind you, I haven't done a buildworld > since the weekend, so I ma

Re: Undefined symbol "__stderrp"

2001-09-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Sep 28, 2001 at 03:27:26PM +0700, John Indra wrote: > I have just finished building and installing a very recent -CURRENT. Now, my > Yahoo! Messenger can't start with the following error message: > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libm.so.2: Undefined symbol "__stderrp" > > Please don't

Re: Suggestion: move rc.devfs invocation up in rc

2001-09-25 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 11:36:32AM -0700, Jos Backus wrote: > run before rc.devfs, i.e. before the symlink is created. Could rc.devfs not be > moved up in rc so this does work? done To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: Seen this lock order reversal?

2001-09-23 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 08:49:29PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Is there any reason to assume that specifying CPUTYPE ev56 has any > influence on the lock order reversal? No that I know of. I used to run a -CURRENT DS20 with CPUTYPE=ev56. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsu

Re: kldxref broken, maybe?

2001-09-20 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 06:22:03PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > root[265] make installkernel > cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/C456086-A; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj ... What steps lead up to this? ``make buildworld && make kernel && make kernelinstall'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] wit

Re: Buildworld problems

2001-09-17 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 03:59:42PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > Nope, you please try to restructure it along the lines of > src/usr.bin/xinstall/Makefile rev 1.16. I'll consider it. > Also, won't it be better to use the libc version of basename.c? Maybe, but I do not want more cross-tree sour

Re: Buildworld problems

2001-09-14 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 06:33:09PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > Please try the attached patch. I'm going to attempt to unbreak > the upgrade path from 4.1-RELEASE to 5.0-CURRENT sometimes in > the near future. Please try to restructure it along the lines of src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libiberty/M

Re: anonymous-ftp cracked

2001-09-13 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 12:13:08PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > nobody should be running an open FTP server that allows > > uploading to anyone unless they are willing to take the time to > > monitor it > > Some ftp daemons have the option to au

Re: kern.flp blown out again

2001-09-13 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 06:37:22PM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > I have a patch for sysinstall which allows you to load kld's from a floppy. Please post!! :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: kern.flp blown out again

2001-09-13 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:59:04AM +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Hehe, it's time to add bzip2 into loader ;) I had a patch, but it provides > only marginal improvement as due to memory constrains you can only use > 100k compression blocks, `bzip2 -1', but it still provides 3% better > compression

Re: kern.flp blown out again

2001-09-13 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:26:40AM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Until you have to leave something essential out and then we are SOL. For > alpha I could think of only supporting CD installs, and drop floppies > altogether. This follows DECs/CPQs convention of only supporting OS installs Only after

Re: HEADSUP!! KSE commit imminent.

2001-09-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:44:30PM +0100, Bob Bishop wrote: > At 15:32 -0400 11/9/01, Garrett Wollman wrote: > >I'm glad to see that, with a little help, you've managed to get the > >code into good-enough shape to make this work out. This is an > >important unit of functionality for FreeBSD 5.0 a

Re: CVSup package for -current

2001-09-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 01:16:14PM -0700, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 09:19:28AM -0700, Adam Kranzel wrote: > > I did not see one annouced by jdp, sorry for the redundancy if > > there is already one available :) > > There are 4.x, 3.5, and 2.2 binaries on jdp's page. Unfortuna

Re: dhclient fails on -current

2001-09-11 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 01:28:12PM -0500, Michael Harnois wrote: > For the last five days or so, dhclient from isc-dhcp2 has not worked > with -current on my machine. It reports "dc0: not found". Some others > reported a similar problem with postfix which was cured by > recompiling. The same solut

Re: amd broken

2001-09-06 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 04:58:28PM +0200, Harti Brandt wrote: > It happens to work if I build amd in /usr/src. If I have /usr/obj/... You can guess how I tested it... ;-) My reference box's build failed last night in libc. I'm updating it now so I can fix this. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: unpleasant ps output and possible related problems.

2001-09-06 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 11:21:06PM -0400, Mike Barcroft wrote: > I think it can safely be said that you're rebooting too much. The > process can be simplified to: > make world > make kernel > mergemaster > reboot For -current I would suggest a slight modification to this -- to make sure everythi

Re: HEADS UP: ACPI CHANGES AFFECTING MOST -CURRENT USERS

2001-09-05 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:15:59PM -0500, Jim Bryant wrote: > > In the case of forth, the interpreter will accept nothing that looks even > > vaguely simular to C/C++, FORTRAN, bourne shell, awk, or perl. ... > It's been a very long time since FORTRAN fit in 4k, I don't think C > ever did, bourne

Re: more anoncvs servers Re: none

2001-09-05 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 11:03:37PM +, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > The GCC and OpenBSD people depend on anoncvs as their main repo transport > > mechanism. > > (You can't transport a repo with cvs. OpenBSD infrastructure Not in the sense of CVSup, but for some defintion of "transport" yo

Re: HEADS UP: ACPI CHANGES AFFECTING MOST -CURRENT USERS

2001-09-05 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 01:26:22PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > I myself questioned the wisdom of using Forth at the time, and Jordan > > simply replied I was free to find a more popular language with a freely > > available interpreter that would fit in as small a space as FICL did. > > I a

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/ccd ccd.c src/sys/modules/ccd Makefile src/sys/sys ccdvar.h

2001-09-05 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:35:41PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "David O'Brien" writes: > >On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 01:33:30AM -0700, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> phk 2001/09/04 01:33:30 PDT > >&

Re: more anoncvs servers Re: none

2001-09-05 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:54:20AM -0700, John Polstra wrote: > - You need a pretty powerful machine to handle even, say, 4-6 clients > at a time. Anonymous CVS is a hog like you wouldn't believe. > Don't try to use the machine for anything else if you're using it > for anonymous CVS. I ha

Re: HEADS UP: ACPI CHANGES AFFECTING MOST -CURRENT USERS

2001-09-05 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:04:49PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Samuel Tardieu wrote: > > Or why is BSD make used when the vast majority of Free Software developpers > > use GNU make? > > 1)It actually works You forgot the syntax is nearly the same as GNU Make. (or rather both accept nearly

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/ccd ccd.c src/sys/modules/ccd Makefile src/sys/sys ccdvar.h

2001-09-05 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 01:33:30AM -0700, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > phk 2001/09/04 01:33:30 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/dev/ccd ccd.c > sys/modules/ccd Makefile > sys/sys ccdvar.h > Log: > Kill the NCCD constant by modernizing the ccd dri

more anoncvs servers Re: none

2001-09-05 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:38:06AM -0700, John Polstra wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > KSrinivasa Raghavan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > For some reasons I was unable to checkout sources from cvs server of > > FreeBSD sources. I have been using anoncvs.FreeBSD.org to fetch the > >

Re: HEADS UP: ACPI CHANGES AFFECTING MOST -CURRENT USERS

2001-09-05 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:48:24AM -0300, Daniel Capo Sobral wrote: > When I first wrote the loader.conf thingy, I couldn't get the value > of environment variables from the FICL environment. ... > Anyway, I have been too busy lately to do anything with FreeBSD that > is not directly related to th

Re: Ia64 and ALPHA (+arm, sparc?) kernel developers:

2001-08-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 11:04:39PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > It has been pointed out that the stumbling block is ~10 lines > of Akpha assembly language code that Julian is asking that > someone familiar with the Alpha write. > > Julian is not an Alpha assembly language guru. In order to > ma

Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up!

2001-08-28 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 01:17:01AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > For $500-$600 I can put you on a 500MHz 21164 Alpha. > > > > I've invested $2500 from my own pocket in Alpha hardware, so others with > > > > nice Bay Area saleries can too. :-) > > > > > > Remember tha

Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up!

2001-08-27 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 08:03:15PM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > > I find it distressing that you are the *only* person doing SMPng work, > > and people aren't giving your opinion a 10x weighting. > > I'm not the only person, and I only get one vote. But you are the leading expert in SMPng, and

Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up!

2001-08-27 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 09:36:56PM -0500, Jim Bryant wrote: > Actually, I'd like to see both projects proceed, but apparently what > non-core contributers to FreeBSD think doesn't matter. It is an issue of effort and practicality. We are not talking about what should be the default window manage

Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up!

2001-08-27 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 11:47:30AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Blah. You're vote doesn't mean jack in this. > > Be that as it may, this kind of message does mean something, but it's > nothing positive. We've had enough nastiness in this area already. > If you don't like what Jim's saying, why

Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up!

2001-08-27 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 10:39:23AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > I wasn't in favor of KSE's in 5.0 at Usenix, but saw that I was in an obvious > minority. I'm still in the minority and realize that and don't expect my > opinions here to make any difference. I just wanted to voice my concerns. I

Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up!

2001-08-27 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 03:13:19PM -0500, Jim Bryant wrote: > > Count my vote as a go-for-it. Blah. You're vote doesn't mean jack in this. Unless you are one actively working on the 5-CURRENT kernel (SMPng specifically), or are funding 5-CURRENT kernel development; you really don't have any righ

Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up!

2001-08-27 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 02:48:21PM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > I don't WANT to commit without more testing and more support for the other > platforms. However I need support from the people DOING > those platforms to go further. For $500-$600 I can put you on a 500MHz 21164 Alpha. I've inve

Re: Headsup! KSE Nay-sayers speak up!

2001-08-27 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 09:34:06AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > Just to get this out in the public: I for one think 5.x has enough changes in > it and would like for KSE to be postponed to 6.0-current and 6.0-release. I > know that I am in the minority on this, but wanted to say it anyways. You

Re: Ia64 and ALPHA (+arm, sparc?) kernel developers:

2001-08-27 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 10:44:04PM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > This compiles and runs pretty solidly on 386. > it needs people who understand the other architectures to make > the appropriate changes and send them to me (or check them int P4) Have you even tried compiling this on beast.freebs

Re: make world broken in -current

2001-08-27 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 27, 2001 at 11:10:55AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Compiling sources cvs'ed this morning (Aug 27th), I get this error: > > cd /auto/roy/dist/pub/FreeBSD/CURRENT/src/usr.bin/file; make build-tools > make: don't know how to make build-tools. Stop > *** Error code 2 Are you sure y

Re: Why is csh tcsh? This can be a bad thing...

2001-08-26 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:10:53PM -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > > Then please enumerate them so that they can be given due attention. > > This is exactly the sort of detailed feedback that was requested when > > we first raised the issue of switching over, and nobody could come up > > with an

Re: Why is csh tcsh? This can be a bad thing...

2001-08-26 Thread David O'Brien
On Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 02:02:21PM +0200, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Probably because it's just too late. During the initial > discussion, the voices pro and contra were about 50:50 (at > least that was my impression), and finally the pro ones > succeeded, probably because they had more "weight" (thi

Re: webdavfs correction

2001-08-24 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:19:36PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Too bad, the published Apple's link > http://www.apple.com/macosx/usingosx/internet.html > is broken :( http://www.apple.com/creative/webpro/technology/webdav/ http://www.apple.com/creative/webpro/technology/webdavsetup/

perl5 build is poo

2001-08-23 Thread David O'Brien
On a -current Alpha box I cannot: cd /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl make cleandir && make cleandir make obj make depend make depend ===> libperl Extracting config.h (with variable substitutions) rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/files/Obj/files/Current/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl

how to debug the crashdump of my locked up system?

2001-08-23 Thread David O'Brien
I finally got a crashdump by C-A-Esc and doing `call dumpsys'. In the past I have done a C-A-Esc and `panic' and had the writing to dumpdev hang. Not sure why it worked this time. Anyway, what should I do with the crashdump to figure out what is going on with my system disk hanging? Also is `p

Re: diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-23 Thread David O'Brien
On Thu, Aug 23, 2001 at 03:11:00PM -0500, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > If someone could roll a tarball for me, I could atleast make the > skeleton for the port if not finish it off. We should just repo copy it to ports. See how I do the setcdboot port. -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To U

diskcheckd is poo

2001-08-23 Thread David O'Brien
diskcheckd is very annoying. Many doubt its usefulness in detecting errors before it is too late. It thinks 40% of my disks are bad (which I don't). I've turned it off, I know many that have. I would like to remove it from the base system and put it in ports. I really don't see what justifies

Re: iso target in release/Makefile

2001-08-20 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 01:15:20PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > You didn't MFC the iso.1 target. We are all building releases on > > RELENG_4 right now :-) (-current releases have been broken for quite a > > while). Thus my patch was developed on RELENG_4 and only committed to > > current so

Re: iso target in release/Makefile

2001-08-20 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Aug 19, 2001 at 11:51:31PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > H. I'm not sure why this reinvents a lot of the "wheel" in the > already existing iso.1 target. Could you explain its purpose a little > better as well as why you didn't simply conditionalize the iso.1 > target in some way if

Re: Cross builds and upgrade path from 4.x are broken in usr.bin/file

2001-08-17 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 05:37:51PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > I can't believe I hear that from you, Bruce. :-) > Generation at install time is a damn bad idea, please see below. [...] > 1. This won't work for cross-platform installworld, since ./file > is targetted for a different platfo

Re: Cross builds and upgrade path from 4.x are broken in usr.bin/file

2001-08-17 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:40:19PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: > On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 08:55:56AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > > > >From a correctness stand point, building the .mgc files at install time > >

Re: Kernel stack hogs list available

2001-08-15 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:00:50PM -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: > I ported the code to allow gcc to report functions that use too much > of our 3.4KB kernel stacks. Actually I thought I did. :-) Is your final patch different from the one I did and sent you? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

mutex Giant not owned

2001-08-15 Thread David O'Brien
# uname -a FreeBSD phuong.nuxi.com 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #12: Sun Jul 15 19:07:45 PDT 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/files/Current/sys/alpha/compile/DS20 alpha panic: mutex Giant not owned at ../../../kern/vfs_subr.c:2363 #0 0xfc3d5c80 in dumpsys () at ../../../kern/kern_shutdo

Re: Cross builds and upgrade path from 4.x are broken in usr.bin/file

2001-08-14 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 08:30:45PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > Just to clarify. Nothing should be built in ${.OBJDIR} at install time, > as it may be read-only. Correct. > The build in ${DESTDIR} is allowed, we, for > example, execute makewhatis(1) at the end of `installworld'. But this >

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-14 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 01:23:40PM +0200, Johann Visagie wrote: > if ( "$tty" != "" ) then > > (There may be a more elegant way to check for shell interactivity in csh, and > if there is I'd like to know about it, please. :-) I've used "if ($?USER == 0 || $?prompt == 0)" in the past. To Unsu

Re: Cross builds and upgrade path from 4.x are broken in usr.bin/file

2001-08-14 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:54:04AM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > They produce the same output, but in the general case they do not need > > to. > > What I hear? Hell, then my solution (or something similar) should be > committed, as it at least unbreaks the 4.x -> 5.0 upgrade path, which > I

Re: race-to-the-root, hello anyone out there?

2001-08-13 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 06:01:55PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > I should have mentioned this. > > /tmp is on /, which is UFS, mounted noatime and with softupdates enabled. > > Plenty of freespace:/dev/da0s1a 1.3G 843M 361M 70% / > > Same thing happens to me, but it's when s

Re: race-to-the-root, hello anyone out there?

2001-08-13 Thread David O'Brien
I should have mentioned this. /tmp is on /, which is UFS, mounted noatime and with softupdates enabled. Plenty of freespace:/dev/da0s1a 1.3G 843M 361M 70% / To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

race-to-the-root, hello anyone out there?

2001-08-13 Thread David O'Brien
Hello?? Those that have committed to /sys in the past 1.5mo, awake? I am continuing to suffer thru what appears to be inode deadlocks where the resulting race-to-the-root soon locks everything up solid. Tried to figure out how to reproduce it on demand. All I can characterize is the file activ

Re: Cross builds and upgrade path from 4.x are broken in usr.bin/file

2001-08-13 Thread David O'Brien
On Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 08:23:00PM +0300, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > Your solution does not work. You're creating binary files in HOST > > format during the build phase and expecting things such as alignment > > and endianness to be the same as the TARGET format. Unless the tools > > are built t

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-13 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 04:13:52AM -0500, Jim Bryant wrote: > from what i've read here, not many undrestand the actual mindset of the > military when it comes to computing. > > the closest would be the guy who mentioned that since ports are on the > CD's that they should be acceptable, this is in

Re: Last Words...(documentation)

2001-08-13 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 11:23:12AM -0700, Joe Kelsey wrote: > TWO people have written to me and said that the reason THEY write > documentation in their "day" jobs is that they get PAID for it. So, > excuse me! I guess real programmers only write documentation when they > are PAID! Yes! > Obvi

Re: _sigprocmask in malloc.c causes full file table?

2001-08-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 05:25:42PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > It's like trying to find something in hierachically organized > "GNU info" documentation: redundancy is useful, and try to > find "__PRETTY_FUNCTION__" in the "gcc" documentation, when > you need to read the man page carefully to fin

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 10:08:40PM -0400, The Anarcat wrote: > And FreeBSD is the *vendor*? I don't think so. At least I don't hope so. Actually we *are*. Seen those ISO's up on ftp.freebsd.org?? -- -- David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 08:15:15PM -0500, Jim Bryant wrote: > Actually, it is up to us to resolve this. I don't think you understand > how DOD operates. The vendor makes the changes, not DOD. Not the > admin. Sigh. If an admin cannot handle /bin/sh long enough to get /usr mounted, they have n

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 09:20:59PM -0700, Gordon Tetlow wrote: > After seeing that grep is a GNU tool, I'm almost tempted to try writing a > BSD-style grep for the fun/exercise of it. Rather than do that, continue the development of /usr/ports/textproc/freegrep, which was started for exactly the

Re: Documentation in FreeBSD

2001-08-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 07:51:05PM -0700, Joe Kelsey wrote: > OK, so we have beaten the psm and keyboard code to death. The entire > point that I have been trying to make in this discussion is that it is > imperative to document design decisions somewhere that is likely to > survive changes in ma

Re: bash in /usr/local/bin?

2001-08-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 08:38:56PM +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: > Yes the sun packages installs into /bin: > ticso@cicely22> uname -a > SunOS cicely22 5.8 Generic_108528-01 sun4m sparc SUNW,SPARCclassic > ticso@cicely22> which bash > /bin/bash > ticso@cicely22> file /bin/bash > /bin/bash: ELF 3

Re: Buildworld pain in -current

2001-08-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 05:16:28PM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > I recently had a chance to buildworld on new -stable and -current machines with > similar spec'd HW.. > The -current build was _slow_ -> > 10756.71 real 2026.00 user 7814.64 sys > vs -stable -> > 2332.03 real

Re: Buildworld pain in -current

2001-08-12 Thread David O'Brien
On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 05:16:28PM +0930, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > I recently had a chance to buildworld on new -stable and -current > machines with similar spec'd HW.. > The -current build was _slow_ -> > 10756.71 real 2026.00 user 7814.64 sys > vs -stable -> > 2332.03 real

Re: Can we please remove "green@FreeBSD.org" from the version string?

2001-08-08 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Aug 08, 2001 at 04:51:55PM +0200, Alexander Langer wrote: > Thus spake David O'Brien ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Looking at the first two lines, shouldn't it be > > > #define SSH_VERSION(ssh_version_get()) > > #define SSH_VERSION

Can we please remove "green@FreeBSD.org" from the version string?

2001-08-08 Thread David O'Brien
Please apply the below diff. This is a FreeBSD effort, not GreenBSD. Or should there be "GCC 2.95.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] x.y.z", "cvs 1.11.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]", etc... This isn't Linux where it is a collective of eclectic items, rather FreeBSD is a collective. Index: version.h ===

Re: rlogin terminal settings messed up

2001-08-06 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 12:32:49PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: > > For quite a while now (?3-4 months?) one's terminal settings are messed > > up when rlogin'ing into a FreeBSD from a FreeBSD-current one. It used to > > be I could rlogin from an 80x24 Xterm, and the terminal settings on the > > rem

rlogin terminal settings messed up

2001-08-05 Thread David O'Brien
For quite a while now (?3-4 months?) one's terminal settings are messed up when rlogin'ing into a FreeBSD from a FreeBSD-current one. It used to be I could rlogin from an 80x24 Xterm, and the terminal settings on the remote box would also be 80x24. Now COLUMNS=80 and ROWS and TERMCAP isn't set,

Re: quick informal survey: OpenSSH broken?

2001-08-04 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 08:21:14PM +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 03:13:58PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > # On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 01:39:14PM -0400, Robert Watson wrote: > # > what was going on, and given that scp doesn't support -1, was

Re: quick informal survey: OpenSSH broken?

2001-07-31 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Jul 31, 2001 at 01:39:14PM -0400, Robert Watson wrote: > what was going on, and given that scp doesn't support -1, was a bit of a > pain. Brian, what about adding "-1" to SCP? To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: HEADS UP: new libmp imported

2001-07-30 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Jul 29, 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > installed. This would involve a repo copy of crypto/openssl/crypto/bn > to contrib/openssl-bn or something, and I'd keep the two in sync with > future vendor imports. You're likely to get people saying "repo bloat". And it does seem a little wrong

Re: -current lockups

2001-07-30 Thread David O'Brien
On Mon, Jul 30, 2001 at 04:32:00PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > I am also experiencing total wedging on disk activity (vi foo, was one) > > on a SCSI system since I updated late last week. My May 7th kernel was > > rock solid. > > Was this before or after you posted publically that -CURRENT s

Re: quick informal survey: OpenSSH broken?

2001-07-30 Thread David O'Brien
On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 09:53:09PM -0400, Brian Fundakowski Feldman wrote: > I need to know, if OpenSSH is ever going to get MFC'ed, are there any people > currently running OpenSSH 2.9 from -CURRENT's base and getting major > problems with it? Or even minor ones that actually make things more

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